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Post by dennismopar73 on Jul 17, 2013 6:22:56 GMT -6
We will never know just how many have been cheating or for how long! In this sport it is very easy to do so, and most if not all tracks have no way to know, but to not even look is the head stuck in the sand , hoping most racers will flush it out ! It just doesn't happen as much as it should,, in fact most try to teach others how it done , As for cameras in car they are still illegal, as well as other devices! The advent of certain devices being made have the ability to aide in starting line 'activity' . not just reaction times but actual stage of the car. Bottom line, cheating is out there ,hard to know who is or isn't , how these issues gets settled has been long talked , and even debated, , thus it still does! Allen Mollet was one who was the most talked about racer at gmp, but was never found to have one, I will remain silent ,
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Post by chad378t on Jul 17, 2013 6:23:13 GMT -6
Guys...I want to straighten something out here. First - - I want to appologize to Doug as it appears I have been mislead all these years.
Doug PM'd me and I gave him my number so we could talk about where I was coming up with my story. We had a good talk and he seems like a genuine and very cool guy.
I want to explain the story (which I told Doug) so everyone knows where this came from and was not something I just pulled from the air.
After the 1995 finals, being 19, I wrote NHRA and was upset at what I had heard happened. (I was told a car was checked at the end of track and had a delay box in a 2nd battery box and that car was the one that I lost too) Bill Protz of CCD was our captain at the time and I remember he was working to get the track points for the two drivers beat by the car in question. Bill got a letter from NHRA (which he gave me a copy) explaining what happened and it had three car numbers involved. (mine, Tim Percell's who also lost to Doug, and the Gateway car in question). Doug's name was NOT mentioned just a number but when I ran Mega bucks a few weeks later, I noted that Doug's car had the number noted in the NHRA letter and put 2 & 2 together. As i told Doug, I kept the letter until we lost our home in a tornado in 2003 and wish I still had it.
Anyway, Doug did say he was checked after a round but found to be legal and has never cheated. I have to believe him because as said, he was in the race of champions the following year and was always at Gateway (which I always found wierd since was suppossed to have cheated) I have no idea how this got so messed up back then.
Again, I have appologized to Dan both personally and publically. I wish I had approached him years ago rather than carry a grudge for 18yrs. As he said last night...hopefully we have a chance to meet face to face and have a cold beverage.
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Post by drphillips309 on Jul 17, 2013 6:44:47 GMT -6
That's a cool deal chad , props to you and Doug for clearing the air. I will drink to that. I guess something good can come from these message boards
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Post by chad378t on Jul 17, 2013 6:49:04 GMT -6
That's exactly what I said!!! It's really wierd how I feel better today, even after all those years. Only regret I have is I wish I could have gave Doug that letter so he could have handled it.
Funny how things work out.
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Post by 338d on Jul 17, 2013 9:33:22 GMT -6
That is great to hear Chad! That says a lot about the kind of people you and Doug both are, that you were able to straighten this out. I have known and raced with Doug for the last 23 years and know what kind of person he is, so I was shocked to hear your deal. Hope to meet you soon and join in on this cold beverage!
Clay,
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Post by 338d on Jul 17, 2013 9:38:21 GMT -6
Dennis, I am not going to say that cheating is not out there today, but I will say I don't think it as common as you are trying to make it out to be. Bottom line is that anyone who wins more than the average bear is going to always bring on suspicion from some people, but I can honestly say that I watch a lot and pay attention and I don't think we have any issues of it locally.
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Post by dennismopar73 on Jul 17, 2013 11:33:27 GMT -6
Dennis, I am not going to say that cheating is not out there today, but I will say I don't think it as common as you are trying to make it out to be. Bottom line is that anyone who wins more than the average bear is going to always bring on suspicion from some people, but I can honestly say that I watch a lot and pay attention and I don't think we have any issues of it locally. I'm sorry, didn't mean for it to sound as if it was going on at every race , nor a lot have or is doing it,, There are racers out there for what ever the reason is , that do it, have done it. I want to believe that every one that is in our classes has been playing fair! But I also aware that the foot brake classes has grown along with some incrediable payouts , when money comes involved some just can not help but to try to up the odds! It is never wide spread, nor is there a list of those who have done it , nor do we hear of any being caught!, A lot does have to do with any track not wanting to lose racers over a deal, ,so a lot to be said about the head in the sand! This will always be a long sought ,talked about issue,I know of some racers who will not race some where just because the strongly believe that cheating has been going on and the tracks do nothing!!
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Post by overdriv on Jul 17, 2013 13:45:13 GMT -6
In car camera used to be illegal. I don't know if they still are or not. You could use them in time runs but not in eliminations. Reason you could aim it at tree and set up to see bulb and release brake. Not that easy but it's been done. I just checked the rule book and found this about cameras. Thought I'd pass it along. 9:15 CAMERAS Cameras permitted. May not be intentionally directed at the racer in the other lane without NHRA permission. Video may not be transmitted in any means or manner without NHRA permission, which permission, if granted, may be revoked at any time. Incident video may not be transmitted under any circumstances. No video monitors permitted in or on the car. Video may not be used in any way to determine track position in real time. Must be securely attached to the vehicle with appropriate fasteners. May not be attached with suction cups, wire ties, hose clamps etc. All mounting brackets, associated fasteners, hardware, etc. from the camera to the vehicle attachment point must be metal, no plastic or nonmetallic components permitted. Attachment to the driver, the driver’s helmet, or the steering wheel prohibited. DRIVER: 10
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