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Post by jim0602 on Jul 16, 2013 1:32:04 GMT -6
If a cheater is caught they should definantly be banned cause cheatings gonna happen and there's a good chance they will never be caught. There's been too many people crying wolf lately so the accusations just keep becoming less meaningfull. I always liked being at a disadvantage by foot braking in pro, I decided to put a transbrake in this year to play with it but the thing has caused problem after problem and is getting unhooked. I never even saw leaving on a button as an advantage except maybe to a beginner. As far as the comment about the adjustable buttons I disagree with whoever said they should be outlawed cause they're a delay device. The advantage of a delay box is from leaving on the top bulb, the legal amount of mechanical button delay just helps out the guy who's car leaves to hard and evens they playing field a little for the people who don't understand how to make adjustments to effect rollout.
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Post by dennismopar73 on Jul 16, 2013 5:51:14 GMT -6
As for what 'buttons' are allowed, When it comes to adjustable , not to many and the track never looks at what type of button is in the car yes a lot is not legal in any competetion!
As with all rumors there is always some amount of truth involved.
The question is if track tech guys can not tell how does the average racer know, or thinks he knows?
He won't ,, walking thru the pits looking into cars won't ,
Go watch, look this takes time,
If one thinks that there is no one cheating in any pro class or some big no box class is not living in the real world , boxes ae out there and being used ! and most will never be caught,, just like other devices!
What I am amazed at is the high level of use of the Go-Pro cameras??
I know it just a camera!!
As for me I do not look for it, I do know they can be out in the classes, but thru out all the years and tracks I have raced and been at it is very unlikely that very few are caught, so beings it is a low level activity most tracks will only respond thru a complaint. ,unless it is kept top secret the racer involved will have removed the device!
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Post by chad378t on Jul 16, 2013 7:31:03 GMT -6
As for pro, street, etc, Boxes should not be in the car period,! What I really like is guys who take a box out of the car,put that one one the car for everyone to see, but leave the box they use in!! If any track is not looking or has never looked at a car the level of cheating is huge and more than anyone thinks! What is sad ids everyone knows who is cheating, not following the rules!! Dennis I find this statement kind of disturbing seems we are running at the same track on a weekly basis. If you actually know someone is cheating than you need to talk with Bob, because by not saying something is almost as bad. My opinion is that if someone is caught you are done for ever no question asked! It is hard enough to do this financially and to have someone cheating like this is stealing and it is also a good way for someone to hurt. I don't get to run there often, but know the track has a lot of good people there and if this was the case at Havana this weekend I hope they address it properly. And on the Doug Graf deal I am suprised if this took place that he would ever be able to race at the bracket finals again. NHRA suspends people for this stuff and Graf was never suspended. Clay, Clay, Not to beat a dead horse but I know I am correct. After we heard rumors of what happened, I wrote NHRA . We were contacted by D1v 3 personally and informed he was banned for 2yrs from Indy points. He was driving a primered grey 69 camaro for Gateway at the time. Im with you Rick. If I made the rules....you get caught cheatin, your suspended for rest of season or X amount into the next it's at the end of the year. The only way you can deter cheating is by making it too painful to risk doing!!!! |
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Post by overdriv on Jul 16, 2013 8:12:50 GMT -6
As for what 'buttons' are allowed, When it comes to adjustable , not to many and the track never looks at what type of button is in the car yes a lot is not legal in any competetion! As with all rumors there is always some amount of truth involved. The question is if track tech guys can not tell how does the average racer know, or thinks he knows? He won't ,, walking thru the pits looking into cars won't , Go watch, look this takes time, If one thinks that there is no one cheating in any pro class or some big no box class is not living in the real world , boxes ae out there and being used ! and most will never be caught,, just like other devices! What I am amazed at is the high level of use of the Go-Pro cameras?? I know it just a camera!! As for me I do not look for it, I do know they can be out in the classes, but thru out all the years and tracks I have raced and been at it is very unlikely that very few are caught, so beings it is a low level activity most tracks will only respond thru a complaint. ,unless it is kept top secret the racer involved will have removed the device! In car cameras are illegal?? Why? |
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Post by bracketracing on Jul 16, 2013 8:22:04 GMT -6
In car camera used to be illegal. I don't know if they still are or not. You could use them in time runs but not in eliminations. Reason you could aim it at tree and set up to see bulb and release brake. Not that easy but it's been done.
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Post by 69b1dart on Jul 16, 2013 8:27:35 GMT -6
I think a random check would work,then that might keep some drivers on there toes
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Post by problemchild on Jul 16, 2013 9:20:51 GMT -6
If some one is caught cheating their name needs to be put out so everybody will be able to keep an eye on them at that track, and the other local tracks as well.
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Post by 338d on Jul 16, 2013 10:05:30 GMT -6
If some one is caught cheating their name needs to be put out so everybody will be able to keep an eye on them at that track, and the other local tracks as well. Couldn't agree more! If they were legitamitly caught then yes that is the price they have to pay, is everyone knowing that they are a thief! |
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Post by chad378t on Jul 16, 2013 11:21:25 GMT -6
I thought the tree has very slight variances that are random to change the time between bulbs on footbrake classes.
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Post by pro19nova67 on Jul 16, 2013 11:33:18 GMT -6
In this particular incident, the guy was so bad at cheating that I would almost believe he didn't know any better. I'd need to hear his side of the story. He had a delay box mounted right in middle of his dash and he had such a huge arm swing coming off the button that you could see it from behind his car. He really wasn't trying to conceal it at all. So I suppose it's possible he truly didn't know he was cheating, maybe. Of course that begs the question, what did he think was the difference between Pro and Super Pro? Did he think Pro was just a class without dragsters?
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Post by jim0602 on Jul 16, 2013 11:49:30 GMT -6
If some one is caught cheating their name needs to be put out so everybody will be able to keep an eye on them at that track, and the other local tracks as well. Couldn't agree more! If they were legitamitly caught then yes that is the price they have to pay, is everyone knowing that they are a thief! Didnt stop Connelly lol |
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Post by bracketracing on Jul 16, 2013 11:54:21 GMT -6
In this particular incident, the guy was so bad at cheating that I would almost believe he didn't know any better. I'd need to hear his side of the story. He had a delay box mounted right in middle of his dash and he had such a huge arm swing coming off the button that you could see it from behind his car. He really wasn't trying to conceal it at all. So I suppose it's possible he truly didn't know he was cheating, maybe. Of course that begs the question, what did he think was the difference between Pro and Super Pro? Did he think Pro was just a class without dragsters? My first time to I57 they told us we didn't have to take them out. Then before first round we were told to rove them. This was way back 2003 |
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Post by 338d on Jul 16, 2013 12:07:43 GMT -6
Couldn't agree more! If they were legitamitly caught then yes that is the price they have to pay, is everyone knowing that they are a thief! Didnt stop Connelly lol In reality Conneley was never caught. Rich Matty was the only one of the dirty dozen that was actually caught cheating. The others were all guilty by association. Anyway sounds like this guy may not have had a clue he was doing anything wrong if thats possible. |
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Post by 69b1dart on Jul 16, 2013 13:25:12 GMT -6
speaking of lazer beams,i do remember sometime ago,at gateway if a spectator had a lazer beam he or she would be ask to put it away or get it token awayremember hearing that over the p/a
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Post by drphillips309 on Jul 16, 2013 14:30:58 GMT -6
This Doug Graf being banned for two years from nhra is not true . He was in the race of champions in 1996 for team gateway and also ran for team gateway in superpro in 1997.
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