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Post by probrd on Jul 14, 2013 20:27:39 GMT -6
I would like to see what everyone thinks about the rules for delay boxes in non-electronics classes with the problem we had this weekend at CID.
Here is the rule from CID's website: ELECTRONICS 1. When a vehicle with electronics is entered in a non-electronics class the electronics box must be zeroed out and rendered unusable.
2. CID officials reserve the right to check cars at any time. Failure to comply with the requirement will result in disqualification for the day’s events. Repeated offences will result in loss of CID points.
First off I believe there is no reason to have a delay box in the car at all. It should be completely removed from the car. Then there are no questions. If you want to run both classes it's easy to install a quick disconnect. It can taken in and out in under a minute.
Secondly if you are caught using the delay box in the class they should be disqualified for the days race and forfeit all of their previous points for the season. If they are caught a second time they should be banned from the track for the rest of the season. A lot of people don't care about points and removing their points for repeat offenses won't be a deterent not to do it again. There's no excuse for using a delay box in these classes except to steal from the other racers. What do you all think about this subject?
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Post by bobg on Jul 14, 2013 20:38:08 GMT -6
Your 100% right on this subject... There should be no reasons why or why not.
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Post by pro19nova67 on Jul 14, 2013 21:12:48 GMT -6
I agree, points mean nothing. A year long ban would be the only effective deterrent. I'm not as tolerant as Rick, if the cheating is as clear cut as it was yesterday I think that should happen on the first offense. Since we don't know how long its been going on, how about asking them to pay back all their winnings for the year too. If they refuse, lifetime ban. Hit them in their pocketbook, that's a real deterrent. I have no tolerance for cheaters, its hard enough for me to win without racing against a box.
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Post by bracketracing on Jul 15, 2013 5:07:04 GMT -6
Most tracks the box must be removed. Actually this is the first I've heard that said you could zero it out
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Post by 69b1dart on Jul 15, 2013 5:17:38 GMT -6
it should be zero out,i know some that uses a switch to turn it off,the class is no box,i truelly think the box should be out,and track officals should be doing there job and checking,and starting line should be looking at drivers that pull there hand when the tree comes down,my car had a box,and its out,it should be fair game out there,not cheaters
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Post by chad378t on Jul 15, 2013 7:08:25 GMT -6
I have no tolerance for cheaters. I got beat by Doug Graff at indy in 1995 (Pro) . He couldn't make the Gateway team as a S/P car and decided to mount his box inside the 2nd battery box. He was using the dimmer switch on the floor to activate it. They only found it when his car went dead. To this day I consider him a lowlife POS.
I agree with you Rick. BOXES SHOULD BE REMOVED. There are so many easy plugs on the market today that makes wiring a snap. If you want to run a class....you should be willing to make the required changes to meet the rules of said class. Period. Too much temptation having that baby sitiing right next to you.
my $.02
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Post by dennismopar73 on Jul 15, 2013 7:13:36 GMT -6
As for pro, street, etc, Boxes should not be in the car period,! What I really like is guys who take a box out of the car,put that one one the car for everyone to see, but leave the box they use in!! If any track is not looking or has never looked at a car the level of cheating is huge and more than anyone thinks! What is sad ids everyone knows who is cheating, not following the rules!!
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Post by dennismopar73 on Jul 15, 2013 7:16:14 GMT -6
John they do not have to 'pull the hand anymore!! I was very obsevant in the stands at GMP last night,
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Post by bobg on Jul 15, 2013 7:33:15 GMT -6
Boxes should be taken completely out, it's easy enough to remove it without excuses. I had a racer tell me about a box he saw in a car Saturday at GMP, I checked it out, the racer was entered in both S/Pro and Pro... When he came up to run Pro the racer showed me he had the box out.
If a racer wires his car for a box and claims he can't take it out then he shouldn't be allowed to enter a no box class. If a racer is caught cheating he should be banned from the track... no warnings.
Everyone pays their hard earned money as an entry fee to win at something they enjoy... Only a cheater is trying to cheat the other racers out of their money and enjoyment.
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Post by 69b1dart on Jul 15, 2013 7:45:32 GMT -6
I been in pro for 30 years,never once had anyone from tech,come check my car for a box,if you win I would go over the car,not unless someone protest and want it done
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Post by 69b1dart on Jul 15, 2013 7:49:25 GMT -6
bob,when you tech cars in pro,do you ask if they have a box,and if they do to unhook it or take it out
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Post by p518 on Jul 15, 2013 8:45:38 GMT -6
I have no tolerance for cheaters. I got beat by Doug Graff at indy in 1995 (Pro) . He couldn't make the Gateway team as a S/P car and decided to mount his box inside the 2nd battery box. He was using the dimmer switch on the floor to activate it. They only found it when his car went dead. To this day I consider him a lowlife POS. I agree with you Rick. BOXES SHOULD BE REMOVED. There are so many easy plugs on the market today that makes wiring a snap. If you want to run a class....you should be willing to make the required changes to meet the rules of said class. Period. Too much temptation having that baby sitiing right next to you. my $.02 Never heard that story before. The battery box thing is an old trick used by others years ago. Don't think you like Doug very much.
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Post by bobg on Jul 15, 2013 9:23:57 GMT -6
John, It's up to a racer not to cheaat and it's up to other racers to protest someone if they feel somethings wrong. When we tech a car we haven't seen and he says he's running Pro we ask if he has a box in the car, I've had a few say yes in the past but they don't use it... we tell him if he's running Pro it has to come out before he can run in the Pro category. We also have a few people watching reaction times of racers, if a Pro racer seems to always get a constant low .00 light he may get inspected.
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Post by 69b1dart on Jul 15, 2013 10:06:00 GMT -6
yea watching there light would help,be preety hard to cut the same light everytime,not unless your a machine
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Post by oneomega on Jul 15, 2013 10:49:21 GMT -6
Interesting comments... I too agree the box should not even be in the car in a non-electronic class. The discussion always goes back to cheaters and their belief that the rules are in place only to break. Sort of like a crooked politician - only sorry if caught! There are so many ways to cheat I'm not sure you could stop someone if they were really creative in their "cheatin' efforts". Also, factual or not, I think most would agree there always seems to be someone who appears to be cheating. I remember back a few years ago a Pro Stock racer was found with nitrous in his cage tubing! I look upon someone who cheats as an individual with low self esteem who "needs" to win just to boost himself up. Very sad... Steve
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