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Post by Coles County Dragway USA on May 30, 2012 10:50:45 GMT -6
I know this is not what happened but this is my problem with using a ladder. It's possible a racer could use two buy backs, get two bye runs and only have to actually win ONE single round (not necessarily in that order) to get second place where the winner may have to win up to 6 rounds. I guess my main question is, if the ladder is for racers who are double entered and not 1 of the 5 racers left is double entered....why the ladder? Seems this situation could have been looked at right there and avoided altogether. Was the ladder rule posted on any flyers or any info anywhere? Could you please let us know if ladders will be used in the future, before race day? You are .00 and dead on sir....if there were no cars double entered, why bother with a ladder?But if Coles plans to continue the ladder system somebody should check out the Crossroads dragway sportsman flyer for this weekend.It gives a very informative explanation of how the sportsman ladder will and should work, also what will happen with the cars that have already had bye runs.Which is those drivers being moved to the bottom of the ladder so the people who have not had bye runs are eligible first.Something so simple was made very difficult Saturday night.Not the end of the world but still irritating. Jimmie Barrett I looked at how Crossroads is doing it for this weekend agree its the right way to do it. We will use this approach for future reference. We only run one race a year that has multiple entries, so we have a full year to work on making sure it doesn't happen again. Again I'm sorry the situation happened Jimmie and will work towards making sure history isn't repeated.
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Post by Coles County Dragway USA on May 30, 2012 11:01:20 GMT -6
I know this is not what happened but this is my problem with using a ladder. It's possible a racer could use two buy backs, get two bye runs and only have to actually win ONE single round (not necessarily in that order) to get second place where the winner may have to win up to 6 rounds. I guess my main question is, if the ladder is for racers who are double entered and not 1 of the 5 racers left is double entered....why the ladder? Seems this situation could have been looked at right there and avoided altogether. Was the ladder rule posted on any flyers or any info anywhere? Could you please let us know if ladders will be used in the future, before race day? Dragracer, No information was on the flyer whether a ladder would or wouldn't be used. We try to keep the rules the same for all classes. Box class had multiple double entries and No-Box did have one. We announced before the races started we'd be doing a ladder. So once the race started even though the double entry hadn't made it that far in No-Box we still did the ladder, since it was announced before and during racing. In the Box class we did have a racer double entered who made it to the ladder with both entries. We may go away from Ladders in the middle of a race in the future, but currently its only used when we have multiple colors/entries race which is run once a year during Memorial Day Weekend. Let me know if I need to clarify anything.
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Post by moneyracer on May 30, 2012 11:18:05 GMT -6
ah. There was a ladder involved. That is the rest of the story. Makes more sense now.The format Terre Haute has should solve those by-run issues.
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Post by dragracer on May 30, 2012 11:38:55 GMT -6
Ok well I'm not taking sides here because I can see it from both points of view but can I offer up a suggestion that could possibly make everyone happy? Eliminate the ladder and call all double entries to the lanes first. Then make the class call for everyone else. If they can't make it to the front of the lanes with that format then its their own fault.
Maybe tell everyone, we're going to call double entries first then 3 minutes later everyone else will get their class call. Leave it up to the double entered drivers to decide when they want to come up, dont make it required but give them the option for the front of the lanes.
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Post by 338d on May 30, 2012 11:42:10 GMT -6
Usually when a ladder is used everything does start all over again. Heck at Gateway on a regular Saturday from the rules we had in the past ( seems there is no rules there this year ) a racer could actually have 3 bye runs in one evening. 1st round is luck of the draw, then after that it is best reaction time, and then once the ladder starts everything resets again. I think this will probably be a learning deal for Rod, but I would suggest that for a $1000 to win event to not consider double entries.
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Post by Coles County Dragway USA on May 30, 2012 11:42:28 GMT -6
Ok well I'm not taking sides here because I can see it from both points of view but can I offer up a suggestion that could possibly make everyone happy? Eliminate the ladder and call all double entries to the lanes first. Then make the class call for everyone else. If they can't make it to the front of the lanes with that format then its their own fault. Thanks for the feedback. Not sure what will happen at next years race, but I've reviewed Crossroads Ladder policy Jimmie mentioned for this weekend and agreeing its a good approach.
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Post by 338d on May 30, 2012 11:45:27 GMT -6
By the way Congrats Jimmy on the win!
Clay,
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Post by dennismopar73 on May 30, 2012 11:51:28 GMT -6
1 thing is for sure,, no matter how you set up a race, not everyone will be happy at the end! those that received a check at the end, reaped the rewards, to play back what should or should not happened is always 20/20. When in doubt, check it out with the management , part of that 'Plan' racers should have! I hope my boss (Steward Restoration), who helped sponsor some of the race will always do so!! I will push him there always! We have the winners photos up in our shop ,look to see more!!
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Post by scottwoodmancy on May 30, 2012 12:14:36 GMT -6
i do not know Rod at all, i have never met him but i do applaud his willingness to come on this message board and listen to how racer's feel and be open to ideas on how to prevent situations like this from happening again and admit that maybe there is a better way to do things. i know there are a few places where the owner/management knows it all and are unwilling to admit fault or even that there may be another way to do thing.
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Post by Coles County Dragway USA on May 30, 2012 12:51:33 GMT -6
i do not know Rod at all, i have never met him but i do applaud his willingness to come on this message board and listen to how racer's feel and be open to ideas on how to prevent situations like this from happening again and admit that maybe there is a better way to do things. i know there are a few places where the owner/management knows it all and are unwilling to admit fault or even that there may be another way to do thing. Scott, Thanks. I'm human and make mistakes, but hopefully learning from them and not repeating them.
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Post by scottwoodmancy on May 30, 2012 14:40:33 GMT -6
you are welcome Rod, i have been in your shoes as a track manager (not an owner) and i know 1st hand what is involved in trying to run a quality program and i made my share of mistakes also, not that you asked for or need my advice but i would tell you to be consistant in what you do, same rules apply to everybody and treat everybody that comes through your gate the way you want to be treated when you go some place whether its to race or out to eat or whatever. p.s. and you are right, it doesnt hurt to learn from our mistakes
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Post by dragindart on May 30, 2012 14:55:39 GMT -6
I've been involed in drag racing a long time. CCD is most efficiently run track around. They listen to the racers and are always striving to make things better.
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Post by moneyracer on May 30, 2012 16:15:10 GMT -6
I have been thinking of racing there again after an 8 year break from CCD. If it is so great there then why is there so much crap flyin on your FB page. and has been ever since you took over. Can all that on FB be lies?And all the local racers. Where are they all at ?
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Post by Coles County Dragway USA on May 30, 2012 17:13:30 GMT -6
I have been thinking of racing there again after an 8 year break from CCD. If it is so great there then why is there so much crap flyin on your FB page. and has been ever since you took over. Can all that on FB be lies?And all the local racers. Where are they all at ? Moneyracer, glad ur thinking bout coming after such a long break from CCD. FB page has been pretty pleasant until this past weekend unless of course your talking about one family that loves to bash anything about CCD or at least try. Most people know who they are and usually ignore their comments. We did have some issue with VP that turned into a storm in Nov, but we had a racers meeting then and worked through those issue having great success with VHT now. Wish there was some magic dust I could throw out to give a warm fuzzy, but I think if you ask the true regular local racers about those "Nah Say Nancy" you find the real the story may be a little different. I guess without coming out to see you'll just have go off what is said good or bad. Hope to see you at the track!
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Post by drphillips309 on May 30, 2012 18:54:43 GMT -6
Clay is rite at gateway for the past 12 years you could have got three byes in one nite! I don't remember it happening but was possible. And rod thanks for coming on here explaining things. I like that in a manager. I'm sure 97 degree heat didn't make it any better. I am still planning on coming up this year. Congrats Jimmie you are the man!
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