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Post by hunter5050 on Apr 25, 2012 11:25:17 GMT -6
ya what jimmy said.and butch is doing track prep and doing a great job at it.
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Post by chad378t on Apr 25, 2012 12:14:14 GMT -6
Let me make this clear..... I AM NOT TALKING ABOUT CID!!!!! I AM TALKING ABOUT VP traction from my personal experience. I will not get into a track bashing thread again. My point was simply that VP tends to be less forgiving and require more work by track crews to keep up. That is it. Both CID & GMP are working with the product and finding out what it likes & doesn't like. No big deal. If you read through my comments...you will see where I said the best tracks are those that have processes that are tried & true. well....you need to experiment to find the best process right?? No prob. The only other point I made was if VHT is a better product for CID...I'd be willing to pony up more $$$ at the gate. I want to help my local tracks so a few extra bucks is fine by me. Any other questions? ?
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Post by chad378t on Apr 25, 2012 12:22:13 GMT -6
Jimmie....you know I'm not a bench racer. Just taking more time than I thought fabricating all the cr*p to fit a Mopar in this piperack. God only knows I will need practice driving it!! I was gonna come down last weekend with Ed to watch but, chose to finish the oil system on the dragster. Sounds like program ran good. Guess a younger driver flipped one?
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Post by stevemaas on Apr 25, 2012 12:58:40 GMT -6
Surprise Chad we finally agree on something. if the word gets out that there is no traction, racers will avoid that place like it has AIDS. no matter how many times the track management goes on these forums and says there are no traction problems, racers will listen to and believe the other racers. I was told they were trying to hire Bob Gibson's son to help prep the track, since he did that last year, don't know if he went. as most of us have read on these threads, you can not just spray the track once with vp and be good for the day. vp has to be reapplied several times during the day to maintain traction. unless there is an oil down you might have to reapply vht once. vp was costing about $600 a barrel, but it is ready to spray. vht was costing about $1100 a barrel, but you have to add methanol to cut it to suit the needs of the track. IS IT WORTH RISKING A DRIVERS AND SPECTATORS SAFETY TO SAVE A COUPLE HUNDRED DOLLARS EACH WEEKEND? ?? was trying to be ready to race last weekend, but ran out of time. if even half of what I've heard is true, i don't know if i want to go, even with the car detuned like it is. It has already been established that the track being talked about here is Gateway not CID. This thread has turned a CID thread into a Gateway traction compound discussion. As far as CID track prep goes, I'd encourage everyone to talk to the drivers that were in attendance last weekend as they were VERY happy. Thanks! The 5th post on this thread was "Is CID using VP or VHT?" the previous posts were weather formalities...
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Post by hunter5050 on Apr 25, 2012 13:00:21 GMT -6
dont think jimmy was referring to you chad and nether was i.i agree that vp takes more time and product and cid has been spraying more than once a day with the vp.at least the sprayer is getting used this year instead of sitting in the weeds.
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Post by Jimmie Barrett on Apr 25, 2012 13:27:32 GMT -6
Chad your caps lock is making me nervous, I was not quoting your post...it was problemchilds.That was 100% directed to him not you....so take the caps lock off please...lol.99.9 % of that persons comments on this forum is negative to CID and coming from somebody that in his same post of talking sh*t also admitted to not having his car finished I dont think has any room to put his .02 cents in. Jimmie Barrett Let me make this clear..... I AM NOT TALKING ABOUT CID!!!!! I AM TALKING ABOUT VP traction from my personal experience. I will not get into a track bashing thread again. My point was simply that VP tends to be less forgiving and require more work by track crews to keep up. That is it. Both CID & GMP are working with the product and finding out what it likes & doesn't like. No big deal. If you read through my comments...you will see where I said the best tracks are those that have processes that are tried & true. well....you need to experiment to find the best process right?? No prob. The only other point I made was if VHT is a better product for CID...I'd be willing to pony up more $$$ at the gate. I want to help my local tracks so a few extra bucks is fine by me. Any other questions? ?
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Post by chad378t on Apr 25, 2012 13:55:26 GMT -6
Its all good brother. I only used em because I wanted to make it clear I wasn't going down that road again. Too many try to take somthing and spin it...then we are right back where we don't want to be.
I am actually reasearching slicks heavy right now. I plan to overtire the car intentionally so I can try to stay consistent at any track. Just don't want to go too big as I feel it starts messing with the convertor & chassis. Heard good things but, I can't bring myself to come down yet. I am chomping at the bit to start and just watching will only make it worse.
I should be out in 2-3 weeks.
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Post by chad378t on Apr 25, 2012 13:57:24 GMT -6
[at least the sprayer is getting used this year instead of sitting in the weeds.[/quote]
Heck yeah!! Run the tires off that sucker!!!
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Post by billtrail on Apr 25, 2012 14:14:39 GMT -6
Jimmie you hit the nail on the head sir. Problemchild hasnt been to the track, not paid anything at the track but still bitches about the track. I know you spend money on two classes plus hillary, i pay two classes every week and a lot of other good people are there every week to race and support "there" track. So in my opinion if you havent been to the track,DONT TALK s**t CAUSE THOSE OF US THAT DO ARE SICK OF IT. Not you chad cause your cool like that lol.
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Post by billtrail on Apr 25, 2012 15:30:12 GMT -6
btw if anyone takes offence at anything ive said ill be the fat guy by the black mustang at the track everyweek come on over and we can talk about it
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Post by chad378t on Apr 25, 2012 18:38:20 GMT -6
I'm glad you told us your car Bill.....because the fat guy part wasn't going to narrow it down much!!! (me included) ;D
I was raised at Havana and as long as they try and work with the racers....i'll help anyway I can if they ask. Believe me...I took last year off and focused on family. It's been hard but I owe my parents that. Seeing my mom fight cancer and my step dad (now 76) age has made me look at things different. He had his knee replaced yesterday so he could walk and use a brake pedal. Means a ton to me to see him get another season or two behind the wheel.
Just to have a drama free track that is close and comfortable to relax and race is important to me.
Screwing with Jimmie never hurt either...
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Post by scottwoodmancy on Apr 26, 2012 7:07:45 GMT -6
Chad, i didn't know Ed used a brake pedal lol
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Post by bobg on Apr 26, 2012 8:36:59 GMT -6
The sprayer was used every week last season and sometimes more than once a day. And we constantly touched up the starting line. Just ask Butch (the guy that's doing it now) The traction was good as it could be for an old wore out track surface. The subject is VHT vs VP Everyone raised hell last year when we were forced to use VP because we couldn't find a supplier for VHT. VHT is much better by far. VP is $600 a barrel ready to spray VHT is $1000 a barrel and you have to mix it You get twice the product once it's mixed for the $1000 plus better results and build up on the track surface. VP will not build up near as much so you constantly have to spray large amounts each week. VHT will build up on the track surface to a point where when it gets hot outside you wont have to use very much to get good results. Traction isn't that big of an issue with slower cars and that junk bike of yours Hunter but when you get 4 and 5 second cars that can't hook, it's hard to get these guys to return, this meaning the car count will keep dropping and the track will suffer financially. Bottom line is VHT works much better for about the same money, Why would you want to use something else? dont think jimmy was referring to you chad and nether was i.i agree that vp takes more time and product and cid has been spraying more than once a day with the vp.at least the sprayer is getting used this year instead of sitting in the weeds.
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Post by hunter5050 on Apr 26, 2012 13:36:39 GMT -6
at least i got balls to race junk that ran 5.60s on one 10" tire.not to bad for a fat boy.and for many weekends i watch the sprayer not touched sitting next to the ambulance that was stolen/...wonder who did that?
ps i dont think anybody cares what you have to say mr gibson/have a nice life
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Post by billtrail on Apr 26, 2012 13:41:48 GMT -6
from one fatboy to another chris, you comin to the track sunday?
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