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Post by drphillips309 on Mar 6, 2015 15:24:56 GMT -6
I remember that at indy after that camero I believe was blatantly using an active stop. Maybe someone can call rich at div 3 and double check. But like I said he told me no bottle and no lines .
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Post by Crossbones Dennis on Mar 6, 2015 16:11:36 GMT -6
You are probably asking Dennis, so I shouldn't chime in. He can clarify. Think Dennis runs Super Pro with the timer. Timed throttle controls aren't allowed in Pro, I am sure. I asked once at a Division 3 event about using an under carburetor electric throttle stop as a starting line control instead of a two-step, since it wouldn't be in the linkage. This can be done with some thought. I was told, flat-out, NO. You can't do that. So, it's either two-step or footbrake in Pro as far as I can tell. Sorry for stepping in Mr. Crossbones! This is correct. I wonder if I could run pro with the stop if it wasn't connected to anything. It would just be closed all the time and limit the car to 5000rpm the entire pass.
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Post by drphillips309 on Mar 6, 2015 16:26:09 GMT -6
You are probably asking Dennis, so I shouldn't chime in. He can clarify. Think Dennis runs Super Pro with the timer. Timed throttle controls aren't allowed in Pro, I am sure. I asked once at a Division 3 event about using an under carburetor electric throttle stop as a starting line control instead of a two-step, since it wouldn't be in the linkage. This can be done with some thought. I was told, flat-out, NO. You can't do that. So, it's either two-step or footbrake in Pro as far as I can tell. Sorry for stepping in Mr. Crossbones! This is correct. I wonder if I could run pro with the stop if it wasn't connected to anything. It would just be closed all the time and limit the car to 5000rpm the entire pass. Yes that is legal
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Post by dennismopar73 on Mar 7, 2015 8:58:11 GMT -6
Once you allow a little might as well allow it all Some of the reason people get Out of the sport No one checks nothing but allow everything Once it there and left on the car it's the honour system which doesn't work now
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Post by 338d on Mar 7, 2015 9:46:24 GMT -6
Once you allow a little might as well allow it all Some of the reason people get Out of the sport No one checks nothing but allow everything Once it there and left on the car it's the honour system which doesn't work nowExplain that one! You have made statements like this in the past, but never have anything to back them up! These are pretty bold statements to be making about people we are all friends with and race with every weekend!
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Post by dennismopar73 on Mar 7, 2015 15:57:03 GMT -6
So you trust that everyone you race with that they would never use any device ?? Im not so nieve !
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Post by dennismopar73 on Mar 7, 2015 16:31:02 GMT -6
My statement is a general statement not Picking out anyone at anyplace Or track
Be that as it may. It happens has happen and will continue to be there even more so with allow More n more in classes that should Not be allowed I have seen the rules bent broken and Because it's so n so we don't want to offend or run off racers items are allowed
Jmo
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Post by 548h on Mar 7, 2015 17:00:37 GMT -6
Wow. Most tracks I've ever raced at have a "bounty rule". May or may not be written. But it's there. You suspect strongly enough that someone is cheating you put up $100. The track manager checks the car. If you're right you get the $100 back and the racer gets penalized. If no foul play is found the suspected racer keeps the $100. So you better be willing to "put your money where you're mouth is".
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Post by dennismopar73 on Mar 7, 2015 17:16:51 GMT -6
At the rate of what you guys would allow and which has happened It's ok if your buddy has a box in his car and he zeros it out Hes fine because he's a buddy so just allow him at GMP to run it because he'd never use it Lol Sounds great Lol
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Post by dennismopar73 on Mar 7, 2015 17:20:17 GMT -6
Wow. Most tracks I've ever raced at have a "bounty rule". May or may not be written. But it's there. You suspect strongly enough that someone is cheating you put up $100. The track manager checks the car. If you're right you get the $100 back and the racer gets penalized. If no foul play is found the suspected racer keeps the $100. So you better be willing to "put your money where you're mouth is". Most tracks it's a lot more like 250$ Or more This reason you don't see guys getting banned from Tracks unless they guy is really bad at hiding his item Most guys like me don't have that exta cash to go out up the protest amount What's bad the tech guy hasnt a clue what he is even looking at
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Post by moparsz on Mar 7, 2015 17:32:21 GMT -6
Everyone is cheating again
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Post by dennismopar73 on Mar 7, 2015 19:04:36 GMT -6
Everyone is cheating again Not everyone!! But the more thats allow the more n more opportunity It gives more opertunities to cheat and less opertunities for novice part time racers to keep interested in the sport or classes because even the appearance of cheating is bad So even if some say that this is ok that's ok if you unhook it or leave that off that General appearance of cheating is there The newcomer or novice racer gets that feeling that he or she cannot compete with what he or she perserves as cheating
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Post by bracketracing on Mar 8, 2015 7:49:00 GMT -6
Dennis I would love for you to PM me anyone you think is cheating. I will personally look into it and if I feel the same I will put up the money. I've been racing along time and I'm very good friends with a lot that run in pro. I don't know anyone that is even hinted they might suspect anyone but you.
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Post by 338d on Mar 8, 2015 11:06:15 GMT -6
At the rate of what you guys would allow and which has happened It's ok if your buddy has a box in his car and he zeros it out Hes fine because he's a buddy so just allow him at GMP to run it because he'd never use it Lol Sounds great Lol Dennis you are not allowed to race at Gateway in pro with a delay box in the car, even if it is zeroed out! I don't know of one racer that has tried to get away with doing that at Gateway that races there on a regular basis. Everyone I know that runs both classes has it on a plug in for easy removal between runs. I will say there are some of us that don't remove it during time runs, because it doesn't matter then. Kevin is correct, you are the only one that continues to bring this crap up over and over, I guarantee if I had the slightest thought that someone was cheating I would be getting to the bottom of it real quick. Its not rocket science, if someone was using a box in the pro class it would be very easy to catch!
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Post by problemchild on Mar 8, 2015 11:13:22 GMT -6
Wow. Most tracks I've ever raced at have a "bounty rule". May or may not be written. But it's there. You suspect strongly enough that someone is cheating you put up $100. The track manager checks the car. If you're right you get the $100 back and the racer gets penalized. If no foul play is found the suspected racer keeps the $100. So you better be willing to "put your money where you're mouth is". two racers caught another CHEATING, TOLD THE TRACK MANAGER WHO IT WAS, HAD VIDEO PROOF, AND WAS TOLD, "THAT RACER IS NOT CHEATING". the track never even looked at the car to make sure. most tech people at the tracks do not have the electronics back round to know what to look for. far to many racers know that and push the rules as far as possible.
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