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Post by ab5098 on Dec 31, 2014 14:27:39 GMT -6
1/8 mile and serperate dragsters sounds good to me . I think that would bring cars back to S/P ............JMO
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Post by 338d on Dec 31, 2014 21:47:44 GMT -6
For 2014 they raised the pay out in S/P and lowered it in Pro and Sportsman didn't they? Why would you do that when Pro has had more cars for years. IMO they will continue to do so until they see a decline in those classes. The super pro crowd have shown their displeasure with payouts by not showing up,therefore they made an effort to correct that. At the risk of pissing some off I will once again point out that some in pro and street would show up for a flaming bag of dog s**t for a prize. There are serious contradictions in the mind sets of these classes and the super pro crowd is just not responding to the lame payout and effort being put forth, they have other choices and are exercising their rights to go elsewhere. I believe that is why they have adjusted the payouts to favor super pro. To further my point they cut the payout in these classes and more showed up! What would you do? Not trying to bash anyone or any other classes but this is how I see it I agree with almost all of this Tim. My question though on Super Pro racers going elsewhere due to lame payout. What track around has a better super pro payout than Gateway? People can say they have a Tier system, but they only have to have 33 cars to pay 1000 to win. No other track pays more than that except for Harrisburg and they started having problems paying out the full payout at the end of the year. IMO the class has just reached a point on the local level that the cost to be competitive has gotten out of hand and there just are no new racers getting into it that's going to invest that kind of money to race for $1000 to win, but in the tracks defense they can't pay anymore than that. I too would love to see them separate door cars and dragsters for a couple rounds and then combine, but I don't know how much of an improvement on car count that would be. I really don't have many ideas that I think could work, but I am sure some people have some and would be great to hear some.
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Post by 358t on Jan 1, 2015 16:14:44 GMT -6
IMO they will continue to do so until they see a decline in those classes. The super pro crowd have shown their displeasure with payouts by not showing up,therefore they made an effort to correct that. At the risk of pissing some off I will once again point out that some in pro and street would show up for a flaming bag of dog s**t for a prize. There are serious contradictions in the mind sets of these classes and the super pro crowd is just not responding to the lame payout and effort being put forth, they have other choices and are exercising their rights to go elsewhere. I believe that is why they have adjusted the payouts to favor super pro. To further my point they cut the payout in these classes and more showed up! What would you do? Not trying to bash anyone or any other classes but this is how I see it I agree with almost all of this Tim. My question though on Super Pro racers going elsewhere due to lame payout. What track around has a better super pro payout than Gateway? People can say they have a Tier system, but they only have to have 33 cars to pay 1000 to win. No other track pays more than that except for Harrisburg and they started having problems paying out the full payout at the end of the year. IMO the class has just reached a point on the local level that the cost to be competitive has gotten out of hand and there just are no new racers getting into it that's going to invest that kind of money to race for $1000 to win, but in the tracks defense they can't pay anymore than that. I too would love to see them separate door cars and dragsters for a couple rounds and then combine, but I don't know how much of an improvement on car count that would be. I really don't have many ideas that I think could work, but I am sure some people have some and would be great to hear some. I tend to agree in that in general it isn't the payout that has stopped persons from showing up for s/pro over the years at gmp. Maybe it did short term a few years ago and maybe it has in other parts of the country but generally I don't think so here, especially this past year for the normal bracket nights. BUT, Exceptions to this would be... except for when the bracket racing was piled on top of another event (like nmca or sscn, etc where they made the price to enter and/or get in the gate to payout ratio and the pita ratio too much/poor to justify racing. Imo, S/pro car count is less because of a combination of things, not in any particular order, people (door cars mainly) swithced to pro when NHRA lowered the minimum dial in the class, it's more expensive to be competitive in s/pro, no new blood (look at all the grey hair in the lanes), some chose to chase other classes like super comp, super gas, TD, or TS, some just quit racing, some prefer 1/8th over 1/4 mile, competition from other local tracks, some are holding grudges from years past, and some don't like the tiered payout system (even if it can benifit the racer). That said, about the only things I think can help in the short term, and I hate to say it because I like they way it is run now, is to make s/pro an 1/8th mile class and possibly separate the door cars from the diggers for a few rounds. This will draw the diehard 1/8th mile racers that may chose to go to the local tracks instead of gmp and maybe get some of the converted super pro cars back that left and went to pro. I have been hearing of a few ex s/pro racers who will be making a return back into bracking racing this year... that is nice to hear.
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Post by rf1 on Jan 1, 2015 16:37:37 GMT -6
Not many places pay more money, but a few guarantee the thousand. ...you and I have both won races at GMP and walked away with less than $600 ...now factor in the poor track prep and the hurry through the program at a unnecessary fast pace and you have people going elsewhere.
Now for my take on the dragster vs dragster door car vs door car 1. With the poor car counts in super pro this would absolutely force the dragsters to eliminate 50% of the field before the money rounds...not fair imo....64+ cars I'd be all for it 2. If we are going to do it let's go all in....2 classes. 11.00 and under and 11.01 and up. That will stop all the cherry picking in the street class and with the tier system we will race for some huge money as we will have over a hundred every week in 11.00 and under
And absolutely agree with the statement concerning cost to be competitive vs return ...that is why I think the fastest cars should race for the most $
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Post by 358t on Jan 1, 2015 17:21:11 GMT -6
Tim,
Good point on the separations of door cars and diggers. I dislike the idea of splitting the door cars and diggers the most. Just changing s/pro to 1/8th mile should entice more door cars. It is easier to be competitve if it's only 1/8th mile. Even my old back half 78 malibu was pretty good to the 1/8th mile most days.
Scott
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Post by jeremy341a on Jan 1, 2015 17:37:03 GMT -6
1/8th mile should help entice more door cars. In the quarter in the nova I feel like I'm a big underdog. In the 1/8th I think I can hold my own.
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Post by bracketracing on Jan 1, 2015 18:14:52 GMT -6
I don't mind running dragsters. I've finished 2nd in points in 1/4 mile 3rd twice on 1/4 mile. 3rd twice in eighth mile. Last year with a fast door car I sucked. This will be a better year. I just want to race and don't change the rules in the middle of the season. Or let's have rules. I think if fuel prices stay low we will have more cars. We've got to get central mo. cars to show up. The ones that loved mar but won't go to GMP.
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Post by 548h on Jan 1, 2015 18:18:43 GMT -6
I don't mind running dragsters. I've finished 2nd in points in 1/4 mile 3rd twice on 1/4 mile. 3rd twice in eighth mile. Last year with a fast door car I sucked. This will be a better year. I just want to race and don't change the rules in the middle of the season. Or let's have rules. I think if fuel prices stay low we will have more cars. We've got to get central mo. cars to show up. The ones that loved mar but won't go to GMP. I agree about the fuel cost. It has definitely reduced my willingness to travel to race. Now that it seems to be coming back down to earth I would be able to race more. Let's see if it stays reasonable through the summer.
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Post by drphillips309 on Jan 1, 2015 18:56:21 GMT -6
All very good points. Maybe the switch to 1/8 mile and low fuel costs mite just do the trick to help superpro. But I think the biggest thing would be a decent year end prize for the championships ? Get a REAL class sponsor for each class and that will make people show up every week.
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Post by racerone on Jan 2, 2015 5:46:07 GMT -6
The tier setup for pro was a slap in the face .For a class that exceeded S/p in car count most of the year and had more sign up for pts . The year before their setup was more fair . What was frustrating this year was whether on any given race was their going to be a 8th mile race included and the cost and buybacks plus no real purse .
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Post by seeingred on Jan 2, 2015 8:25:29 GMT -6
Hi I am John long time reader first time poster, in my opinion 1\8 mile in s\p is fine , I dont race it anyway , my car is to slow , no trans break and im not a good enough driver to compete in that class any way . But in pro I want to race 1\4 unless they put a real finish line at the 1\8 that I can see (at Gateway I tend to forget Im racing 1\8 and blow past dont play the stripe and break out) and my car is to fast for sportsman and Im not going to slow my car down a second and a half to play their hoping to get new racer and avoid the Teds , Aarons and Steves of the world so I can go another round. Besides I think newer racers would want to race 1\4 , I know I prefer it.
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Post by seeingred on Jan 2, 2015 8:26:12 GMT -6
Hi I am John long time reader first time poster, in my opinion 1\8 mile in s\p is fine , I dont race it anyway , my car is to slow , no trans break and im not a good enough driver to compete in that class any way . But in pro I want to race 1\4 unless they put a real finish line at the 1\8 that I can see (at Gateway I tend to forget Im racing 1\8 and blow past dont play the stripe and break out) and my car is to fast for sportsman and Im not going to slow my car down a second and a half to play their hoping to get new racer and avoid the Teds , Aarons and Steves of the world so I can go another round. Besides I think newer racers would want to race 1\4 , I know I prefer it.
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Post by drphillips309 on Jan 2, 2015 9:19:53 GMT -6
Good to have you on board john.
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Post by SENIOR on Jan 2, 2015 9:38:20 GMT -6
Not many places pay more money, but a few guarantee the thousand. ...you and I have both won races at GMP and walked away with less than $600 ...now factor in the poor track prep and the hurry through the program at a unnecessary fast pace and you have people going elsewhere. Now for my take on the dragster vs dragster door car vs door car 1. With the poor car counts in super pro this would absolutely force the dragsters to eliminate 50% of the field before the money rounds...not fair imo....64+ cars I'd be all for it 2. If we are going to do it let's go all in....2 classes. 11.00 and under and 11.01 and up. That will stop all the cherry picking in the street class and with the tier system we will race for some huge money as we will have over a hundred every week in 11.00 and under And absolutely agree with the statement concerning cost to be competitive vs return ...that is why I think the fastest cars should race for the most $ 2 classes, as in box, no box ?? Then my 10.30 footbrake GTO would have to run with "box cars" ? No thanks. I'll just sandbag in pro. I've seen it work.
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Post by labrat496 on Jan 2, 2015 12:16:41 GMT -6
Overall I think that would hurt the car count.
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