92ga
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Post by 92ga on Jun 24, 2013 19:42:30 GMT -6
Because I don't have any business running a 12 second pickup truck against a 5.90 pro car. It's unsafe to do so in my opinion, and maybe NHRAs also. That's why they have a cut off. This is bracket racing, with different time brackets for a reason.
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Post by jeremy341a on Jun 24, 2013 20:03:58 GMT -6
NHRA only mandates time breaks at the et finals. There are plenty of all run classes. The NHRA king of the track will let a 200mph dragster run against a 100mph motorcycle so i dont think they are worried about the speed difference. You are right this is bracket racing which was invented so anyone in any speed vehicle can compete. It is the whining that has brought on most et breaks. I once had a guy tell me he shouldn't have to race a 3000 dollar car with his 30000 dollar car. I told him if you can't beat that 3000 dollar car you must really suck.
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Post by josephlay on Jun 26, 2013 18:57:26 GMT -6
The one advantage a fast car has is 60ft times. A car with a 1.70 sixty has a reaction time advantage over a car with a 2.70 sixty. Not a biggie for a good racer though... My main beef is still allowing cars to be launched with an electronic signal.. I see in the results tab a guy named Jimmie Barrett dominates the street class. Does anyone know if this guy uses a trans brake or line lock? I don't anything about this person. Probably very nice guy. He probably foot brakes the car and I am way off here and will go away quietly. LOL
The one thing Coles county does is if a driver wins street class 3 times in a season they must move up into sportsman and not allowed in street anymore. Thought that was always a pretty good rule.
I like Bill Trails suggestion for foot brake sportsman class.
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Post by bobg on Jun 28, 2013 7:52:21 GMT -6
I feel that kind of rule is wrong, A guy shouldn't be punished because he's good in the class as long as his car is legal. What about a guy that wins the track championship in Super Pro a few years in a row... Do you tell him he has to quit or go on to Top Fuel?
You also have to remember you don't race in 60 feet, A car can be a slug in 60 feet as long as it runs the dialed in number at the finish line and the drivers reaction time is good you'll win.
I do believe the Street Class should be reserved for pure Stock or mild modified Street driven cars... Cars without any driver aids such as line locks or trans brakes or laptops.
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Post by chad378t on Jul 1, 2013 8:30:57 GMT -6
I would agree with street class being a basically stock vehicle but, I don't agree with making a driver move up after winning races.
First, if you think about it...you will slowly kill the class as you force drivers to move. It's not like you have a huge influx of new cars racing so as one moves, anothe rwill win and be forced up etc. Second, racing good drivers forces you to be better. That's kind of message in society today. "give a ribbon to everyone". Sorry but my wife just started out this year and I'm throwing her to the wolves. She will run Jimmie and Jeremy when she must. That's part of the learning curve in my eyes.
For the record, Jimmie has three cars. (one for each class he runs) All are footbraked but one and it has line locks on a button. The Street car he drives is his wifes. It's fully street legal, driven to the track and has no electronics in it. I'm not even sure it has a line lock for the burnout.
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Post by sg3526 on Jul 1, 2013 9:22:07 GMT -6
Guys, Thanks for all the good feedback. I am not accusing anyone of wrong doing because they havent! Just sharing my opinion. Thank you for yours. I believe the CID track management team will take all of our positions/opinions into account and make the best decision going forward. I hope the rain stays away for them this weekend so they can do some racing business!!! You don't race a Silver Mustang by chance do you?
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Post by josephlay on Jul 1, 2013 14:40:37 GMT -6
SG3526,
No I do not. I have a red 1965 Mustang.
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Post by problemchild on Jul 1, 2013 16:36:12 GMT -6
Chad, I don.t know where you got your info but you could not be more wrong.
I sat in the bleachers on a friday test and tune and watched Jimmie driving her burgandy camaro. the car is eqiuped with a TWO STEP, a TRANS BRAKE, and a DELAY BUTTON
HE may be foot braking the El Camino, but as far as the orange camaro he runs in pro, that has a two step, trans brake, and a delay button
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Post by josephlay on Jul 1, 2013 19:04:29 GMT -6
Ok guys I will back off the number of wins in a class per season. I was just throwing it out there. I am not one for thinking all the kids on the T-ball should get a trophy. However when I see a person win a class nearly every weekend I think something needs to be checked into. No one is that good! Like Bob Glidden winning pro stock all them years.. He wasn't that good. It's called nitrous and he was getting by with it.
Chad your post made me go back and look at the CID Facebook post that started this thread. Here is what Jimmie Barrett posted at 7:46 pm on June 9th. "And since trans brakes are legal I plan on using one in true street now."
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Post by probrd on Jul 1, 2013 19:29:53 GMT -6
Street class should be just that. A street car that footbrakes, has DOT approved street tires, headlights, tail lights, and license plates. If they fit that criteria I believe there shouldn't be an et break in the class. Any more than that and they should at least move up to Sportsman or even Pro. Otherwise what's the difference between street and Sportsman? It doesn't matter what the rulebook says the track can make any rules they want, that they think will help the class. As it is there are guys staying away and boycotting the class. That's not in the best interest of the class or the track. Make it a real street class. That's my 2 cents
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Post by josephlay on Jul 1, 2013 20:26:36 GMT -6
Probrd, You hit the nail dead center on the head! I have nothing further to add.
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Post by jeremy341a on Jul 1, 2013 20:26:56 GMT -6
Ok guys I will back off the number of wins in a class per season. I was just throwing it out there. I am not one for thinking all the kids on the T-ball should get a trophy. However when I see a person win a class nearly every weekend I think something needs to be checked into. No one is that good! Like Bob Glidden winning pro stock all them years.. He wasn't that good. It's called nitrous and he was getting by with it. Chad your post made me go back and look at the CID Facebook post that started this thread. Here is what Jimmie Barrett posted at 7:46 pm on June 9th. "And since trans brakes are legal I plan on using one in true street now." Are you talking about Jimmie? I have raced against Jimmie many times and I have even drove Hillary's Camaro and he does win alot and it is bc he is that good. There is no higher compliment in drag racing than when everyone starts thinking you are cheating.
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Post by josephlay on Jul 2, 2013 5:44:16 GMT -6
Hi Jeremy,
Just to set the record straight.... I have said it once before on this thread, and I will say it again. I am not accusing anyone of wrong doing here! Additionally, JIMMIE IS "NOT" CHEATING!!!!! He is within the rules set by this race track. The reason for this thread is to get everyone's opinions on the rules that govern the street car class. Its just that simple. I have used people's names in a respectfull manner to support a point that I am trying to make and thats all.
I think CID should consider an additional street car class and allow foot brake cars only!
Go ahead a keep the existing street class and what the hek, let them guys put delay boxes with cross talk, electro/pneumatic actuated throttles, tranny brakes, 2 steps, and anything they can dream up on their so called street cars... For me, I just like it simple like Probrd posted earlier in this thread.
Best Regards, Joe
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Post by midnight camaro on Jul 16, 2013 20:32:15 GMT -6
I run sportsman and CID sometime i would be better off to "RUN" but anyway adjustable buttons and transbrakes are not legal in that class all this class is in CID is a slower PRO class cause there are a whole lot of staging line rev limiters being used but its legal in DIV 3 oh i use no buttons at all not even a line lock to leave off of
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Post by chad378t on Jul 17, 2013 6:00:18 GMT -6
Joe, While Jimmie may have one now....he was not using one earlier this year. That was June so I don't know if he changed. He has helped my wife a ton when we set her car up so I know exactly how his cars were set up because we considered different set-ups for her. I can tell you for sure hes Does not have a 2-step. It's actually just a startng line limiter with the high side removed. Summit rules make 2-steps illegal. (same thing though) Anyway....I completely agree with you guys though. True street should be just that. street legal, cars with no added features. Thsi should be teh entry level class where new kids can come have fun and learn our sport to one day move up.
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