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Post by drphillips309 on Jul 31, 2012 5:13:49 GMT -6
I can help you Jeremy . My newest device according to som E Benton racers is the computer in my car hits the brakes for me. ;D
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Post by jeremy341a on Jul 31, 2012 7:34:43 GMT -6
I thought about buying a new camaro, I hear they come with a bracket racers package.
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Post by jim0602 on Jul 31, 2012 9:53:32 GMT -6
What is it with you high level top bulb racers hopping in your Street cars and cheating us out of our Huge $300 sportsman payouts. LMAO. I don't understand Why it's so hard for people to say they got beat by a better Driver. Are the people that complain so good that they think People must be cheating to beat them. Whats gonna happen If people keep crying wolf is they are gonna end up outlawing Computer controlled cars because nobody understands the "voodoo" Behind them. Considering that's 99.9% of cars in existence today It would be one of the worst things that could happen to the sport!
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Post by jim0602 on Jul 31, 2012 10:04:13 GMT -6
Trust me if Jeremy or Jason gets next to me The scanner or computer is the least of my Worries. Think about it real hard people and You will realize how dumb this whole thing Really is. Look at the numbers, I bet the ones That count are the MOV so if you wanna try To find electronics that help him cheat start Looking for radar in the rear bumper or something that would at Least make somekind of real sense cause a scanner doesn't especially In a car that's so slow it wouldn't matter if it Datalogged or not. I hate to speak up but I just find This whole thing to be so dumb it makes me sick!
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Post by drphillips309 on Jul 31, 2012 10:53:11 GMT -6
You are rite Jim . This is stupid. Computer cars are at a big disadvantage to start with over carbureted cars. Carbs don't deside to tell the transmission to shift early and harder because it likes back to back runs. Or if the computer desides to enrich fuel and timing because it's 5 degrees hotter. If EFI is the way to go how come all super pro cars have carbs?
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Post by dennismopar73 on Jul 31, 2012 11:23:03 GMT -6
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Post by 338d on Jul 31, 2012 11:51:48 GMT -6
Yes Dennis we will all get over this when the track gives Jeremy the apology that he deserves. Not all, but most of us racers stick together when things are wrong like this. Yes rules are rules and he did not break any rules, so they don't need to change any rules.
Clay,
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Post by scottwoodmancy on Jul 31, 2012 12:33:52 GMT -6
i agree with 338d, no rules were broken and they do owe Jeremy an apology....with that being said i deal with customers all day every day and that is not how you treat your customers unless you don't care if they come back or don't care if the company you work for succeeds or not and if i was running a race track in todays economic climate i would not want to chase to many people away and if i had an employee that was chasing my customers away that person would be outta here or muzzled and kept out of sight
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Post by drphillips309 on Jul 31, 2012 13:09:24 GMT -6
Dennis 73 what planet are you from. There was one delay box car in mega bucks that was slow and it was carbureted . It was are moderater Gilliam . In his Oldsmobile . You need to chime in when there is a thread you know more about. I don't bust in a torque flight thread about mopars because I know nothing about them. Sorry to be so Blount but you don't have a dog in this fight
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Post by jim0602 on Jul 31, 2012 13:23:13 GMT -6
I hate getting involved in online arguments and I feel like a retard For letting this work me up but this one hits close to home Cause its what I do for a living. First I'll start with opinion, the way I read the rules it's legal if you can't record. Now fact, nobody from The track even looked at the $60 piece of almost useless diagnostic Equipment to see if it did. Opinion the track should have someone in there tech inspection crew that is qualified to make a desicion like Labling someone a cheater cause that Is a serious accusation. Now Looking at the facts I have read on here there is no reason to think He was cheating. So you think a little box inside could be a delay or Matty box? Wouldn't you think you would see super pro kind of packages Then or at least a consistent incremental time? I read an article once About how conspiracy theory's come from lack of understanding and thats Exactly what this entire thing is! You want the cold hard facts. Just about Every car on Car on the road today has what it takes mechanically for a built in matty box It's called an antilock brake module and I'm sure some dorky hacker out there Has the ability to edit the software and make it go 1290 feet and cycle the abs Pump. But you know what I'm pretty sure if your smart enough to do that you would Be smart enough to put it in the programming and not need a box sticking out for someone To cry about. But you know what even with the redicilous amount of diagnostic equipment I have to have to fix cars today I could never prove that to the point of disrepecting myself By accusing someone else of cheating. So man up and admit Jeremy is a good enough driver To beat your race car with a prism and stop complaining cause if you are arguing this you do Not understand how cars today or racing works. Also Dennis I see the rules as grey area but it Would be up to the track to investigate cause they are the only ones that can make that call regardless What you, me or the crybaby that got beat think about it, period. Sorry For the rant I will shut up now.
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Post by jim0602 on Jul 31, 2012 13:28:46 GMT -6
Sorry one more opinion, bracket racing is more mental than Anything else so when people cry over something dumb I consider This to be the type of person you can rattle with stupid tactics Like a burn down or flickering the bulb umpteen times.
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Post by jeremy341a on Jul 31, 2012 14:01:22 GMT -6
Dennismopar it is not illegal. Have you ever seen a racepak dash? They are in thousands of cars. Tell me how my device is different than those to make it illegal. Obviously racepak dashes are legal according to nhra. Tell me why mine is not. Do not skate the question. Answer this question.
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Post by Crossbones Dennis on Jul 31, 2012 17:19:41 GMT -6
Dennis 73 what planet are you from. There was one delay box car in mega bucks that was slow and it was carbureted . It was are moderater Gilliam . In his Oldsmobile . You need to chime in when there is a thread you know more about. I don't bust in a torque flight thread about mopars because I know nothing about them. Sorry to be so Blount but you don't have a dog in this fight Yep that would be me. How many on here have ever heard a stock 307 on about a 1400 rpm chip. ;D I believe it's also a rule that there is no two-way communications allowed in most cars. Does that mean we search everybody for cell phones? Ban hands free devices? What about Onstar? ;D
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Post by dennismopar73 on Jul 31, 2012 17:44:12 GMT -6
Yes I have seen racepak dash, we have them in the pulling trucks and tractors! it tells all kind of stuff!!!!!!!!!!! it even has GPS ,tell how many feet you pull, and it can even count the inch! wheel speed , drive shaft speed , temps ,rpms,, cyl,, injectors, the ones we have can tell it when to inject water, ah a delay!! They should not be allowed!!! in competition! unless it is in a fully electronic class, not in street or pro ,,while in race down track, my opinion!! I just know that pro class street, they should not be there knowing what it can show the driver!! Street / pro cars are limited to what they can have, each class a step up as you get more adapt at racing, , so to have any device in the car in eliminations, that gives a driver live information ,is and should be against the rules ,, as I see it! JMO! I nor does anyone here know what your scanner can or can't do, as modifying them to do other than what they was intended could happen ,thus the use or abuse is not what the NH RA , or any track would want on their hands, in novice classes! Once again , not saying you, or your 'scanner' is nothing other than what you say it is!, Or that you are 'cheating'! The real issue is, once you had already been told last year not to have it in operation during elms, why would you try to 'get by' with it, knowing that they where watching?? then when you do it again , you force a hand because they have a complaint , no matter who it was , it could have been several, who knows? then when the track is in that position, and they came to the conclusion to do what they did. then everyone wants to up in arms about it?? I fail to understand that part!!?? The track is put in very bad situation, if they don't do something they lose, if they do something they lose,, so why do we put them in that place?? You are very correct, I don't have a dog in this fight, electronic is getting very hard to keep out of the novice classes, what new cars do, and with lap tops pdas, even your phone , make enforcement very very hard, Jeremy, Think you heck of a racer,
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Post by dennismopar73 on Jul 31, 2012 17:46:04 GMT -6
Dennis 73 what planet are you from. There was one delay box car in mega bucks that was slow and it was carbureted . It was are moderater Gilliam . In his Oldsmobile . You need to chime in when there is a thread you know more about. I don't bust in a torque flight thread about mopars because I know nothing about them. Sorry to be so Blount but you don't have a dog in this fight Yep that would be me. How many on here have ever heard a stock 307 on about a 1400 rpm chip. ;D I believe it's also a rule that there is no two-way communications allowed in most cars. Does that mean we search everybody for cell phones? Ban hands free devices? What about Onstar? ;D Nope your was not the only one that was out there!!!!!!!!!!
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