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Post by ab5098 on Oct 15, 2019 7:37:47 GMT -6
My hope is that if these races have a decent turn out maybe they will increase the payout if the future . I think the threat of cold weather hurt this race also turned out to be a great day weather wise.
With the pay structure I think you would be foolish not to split it up.
This race went very well 6 hrs is good for the cars that were there in my opinion.
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Post by 338d on Oct 15, 2019 7:59:42 GMT -6
They would be better to spread the payout, especially seems Gateway will not split the checks out the way the racers split it up. The entry fee to payout ratio on this race with double entries allowed and 2 rounds of buybacks is as bad of a value as you can possibly get for a race. The weather did hurt the entries some, but the payout structure is the main reason not many came. I want to see more better payout races at Gateway as much as anyone, but a race like this is pretty tough for me to support.
Just curious of anyone actually double entered into this race?
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Post by drphillips309 on Oct 15, 2019 9:16:42 GMT -6
I double entered when I heard they had over 70 . We split pretty big at 4 cars . I figured we all went this far let’s all get atleast 750 but we decided to do 1k 1k $1900 $2100 . I was on house money already with sportsman and my other entry at $350 . By my math this race paid the same as Benton’s 5k gateway paid $6,650 Benton’s 5 k I raced a few years ago paid a total of $6,500 Benton’s BB is $10 more but you save $20 on the double entry so it’s kinda a wash but the time factor is what I look at now along with safety 6 hours vs 16 hours . Jmo and yes they need to wait to cut checks
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Post by ab5098 on Oct 15, 2019 9:32:14 GMT -6
I would say maybe 15 cars double entered. with the cars they had they made it 1st or 2nd round BB not both so that helped on time as well .
The race down at Jeffers paid better but took longer and had less cars they did not split like we did 3rd place guy got $500 there
The 5000 was guaranteed there
2 rounds of BB there
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Post by 338d on Oct 15, 2019 15:12:18 GMT -6
I double entered when I heard they had over 70 . We split pretty big at 4 cars . I figured we all went this far let’s all get atleast 750 but we decided to do 1k 1k $1900 $2100 . I was on house money already with sportsman and my other entry at $350 . By my math this race paid the same as Benton’s 5k gateway paid $6,650 Benton’s 5 k I raced a few years ago paid a total of $6,500 Benton’s BB is $10 more but you save $20 on the double entry so it’s kinda a wash but the time factor is what I look at now along with safety 6 hours vs 16 hours . Jmo and yes they need to wait to cut checks Not sure how you get the same as Benton's? There race pays $1000 ru and $500 semi, that's $7000 there, plus it pays back to 1/8's most events. It's bad race to compare too, and that is what Gateway needs to stop doing, is trying to run the same s**t box races the little outlaw tracks have. They can be so much better than that! These races Benton and Sikeston put on are not good races. If its nice on the 26th I will go because its close.
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Post by 396z on Oct 16, 2019 6:36:51 GMT -6
I would say maybe 15 cars double entered. with the cars they had they made it 1st or 2nd round BB not both so that helped on time as well . The race down at Jeffers paid better but took longer and had less cars they did not split like we did 3rd place guy got $500 there The 5000 was guaranteed there 2 rounds of BB there Sikeston was a better payout and no need to split. I went to Gateway because of the weather. I knew Gateway would be done before sundown. Didn’t want to drive all the way to Sikeston just to have it cancel because of cold. I’m shocked Sikeston even got the race in. I agree. Gateway should be able to put these outlaw tracks to shame. Can’t believe they won’t bring back the Megabucks format. Proven winner.
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Post by drphillips309 on Oct 16, 2019 8:19:15 GMT -6
How can gateway put the outlaw tracks to shame apples to apples? More parking to pay taxes on more shutdown room more bathrooms to clean if you want to take a dump at gateway pick from 20 chitters vs one at sikeston? Wider longer track to glue? Real ambulance to pay for and a safety crew to pay to clean up oil or whatever. How bout a state of the art timing system vs the glitches at sikeston. No excuses here on it’s cut and dry . So if there was no need to split at sikeston why did the last four in no box split the money 4 ways and not even race?
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Post by drphillips309 on Oct 16, 2019 8:52:34 GMT -6
Benton has never had a 4 car semi in megabucks only 3 in semis and 5 at quarters so that’s 5k 1k $300 and 150 twice = 6600
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Post by 338d on Oct 16, 2019 10:11:35 GMT -6
Benton has never had a 4 car semi in megabucks only 3 in semis and 5 at quarters so that’s 5k 1k $300 and 150 twice = 6600 It is all determined by car count on how many cars you have left at the end and there is no way for the track to determine that unless they limit entries. I have been to Benton's many times with 4 cars in the semis. We all know that Gateway has more expenses, that's one more reason that they should not even attempt to have these small track races. It's too easy today to put together a race to fill your pits, no reason they can't do it, they just choose not too.
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Post by ab5098 on Oct 16, 2019 11:33:34 GMT -6
I would say maybe 15 cars double entered. with the cars they had they made it 1st or 2nd round BB not both so that helped on time as well . The race down at Jeffers paid better but took longer and had less cars they did not split like we did 3rd place guy got $500 there The 5000 was guaranteed there 2 rounds of BB there I was talking about super pro not splitting yes pro split the money at 4 cars didn't race
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Post by jeremy341a on Oct 16, 2019 19:19:11 GMT -6
If I have a higher quality restaurant that costs more to operate why do I want to sell chicken strips like my competitors in their lower quality restaurants? Maybe I should be selling steak? How can gateway put the outlaw tracks to shame apples to apples? More parking to pay taxes on more shutdown room more bathrooms to clean if you want to take a dump at gateway pick from 20 chitters vs one at sikeston? Wider longer track to glue? Real ambulance to pay for and a safety crew to pay to clean up oil or whatever. How bout a state of the art timing system vs the glitches at sikeston. No excuses here on it’s cut and dry . So if there was no need to split at sikeston why did the last four in no box split the money 4 ways and not even race?
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Post by sc583 on Oct 16, 2019 20:09:15 GMT -6
Benton has never had a 4 car semi in megabucks only 3 in semis and 5 at quarters so that’s 5k 1k $300 and 150 twice = 6600 I ran myself at 4 at the July $5k.
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Post by 338d on Oct 17, 2019 8:20:25 GMT -6
Benton has never had a 4 car semi in megabucks only 3 in semis and 5 at quarters so that’s 5k 1k $300 and 150 twice = 6600 I ran myself at 4 at the July $5k. Exactly, a track cannot control the number of cars left in the late rounds, unless they set the entry # of the event and have a good deal of the buybacks. Its simple math
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Post by drphillips309 on Oct 17, 2019 8:58:36 GMT -6
How about they do three 10s for $100 a day?
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Post by 338d on Oct 17, 2019 10:47:32 GMT -6
How about they do three 10s for $100 a day? That's great as long as they don't add the 17 rounds of buyback, double entries, and $1000 runner up. There are too many good races that succeed to model after, all they need to do is try it. They could be successful with 3 5k races if they structure they race well.
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