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Post by jeremy341a on Jun 26, 2018 17:12:18 GMT -6
Who's on the bracket race advisory committee that recommended cancelling and is fully in support of the decision. I believe that is what the press release said
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Post by jeremy341a on Jun 26, 2018 17:15:46 GMT -6
The payout to fee ratio almost guarantees a low csr count. Hot weather was just icing on the cake. It’s a carbon copy of Benton’s mega bucks times 2 ,with the potential to pay 4 or 6 times Benton’s payout ! So why is this race such a horrible deal compared to the low overhead Mom and pop track down the street that would never double or triple their purse if more entries showed? 1. I don't think Bentons race is good either 2. Bentons money is guaranteed gateways said paying. Min of 10k but also said based on 100 cars which is if. 3. Benton did add money just last week to the purse due to good car count. 4. Even if it did pay 10k. It was 400 for 3 10s with two rounds of buybacks. Bg next week has 3 10s and 2 5s for 500 with one round of buyback. It doesn't draw a crowd anymore either.
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Post by drphillips309 on Jun 26, 2018 18:25:20 GMT -6
Who's on the bracket race advisory committee that recommended cancelling and is fully in support of the decision. I believe that is what the press release said Not sure who is all on the committee currently. But when my phone rang and was asked, I did agree to cancel. I didn’t recommend it. I asked about pre entry’s and was told it was very low. I was actually ready to pre enter that day trying to save money and double enter Sunday because I couldn’t run Saturday. I said the heat affected a points race turnout in a big way just a few weeks ago. Maybe the lowest in years . Also about every racer I talked to on the phone had a variety of excuses of why they are not going so I agreed with management that this race would struggle , they do not want a flop believe it or not . So I gave my blessing to postpone until better weather in October. Sue me. Lol
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Post by rf1 on Jun 26, 2018 21:04:07 GMT -6
their touches have definitely hindered their success rate in the megabucks arena, n o matter the amount.....the idea of hedging their bets is never going to be popular with the racing world. if they don't have the confidence to put out a guaranteed payout with a decent entry then why should anyone bother with them. in short they keep trying the same lame bs, and it keeps failing. if this race wasn't local , I would never consider it
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Post by dennismopar73 on Jun 26, 2018 21:29:20 GMT -6
Everyone stay safe out there whatever you're doing, it's going to be 92 degrees on Sunday The forecast has been saying 97 to 98 for awhile until today. I think the low turnout on the 98 degree day two weeks ago showed no signs of a decent car count or purse for the weekend. I would hate to see a flop on the first attempt at a big $ race there in awhile. It's heat, triple digits, no one wants to be there, I work in it everyday, I'm not going to out try to go out enjoy a day of racing when it 100 degrees our heat index of 112 or worse. Not everyone had,a.c. rv to go hide in
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Post by 338d on Jun 27, 2018 6:05:29 GMT -6
The payout to fee ratio almost guarantees a low csr count. Hot weather was just icing on the cake. It’s a carbon copy of Benton’s mega bucks times 2 ,with the potential to pay 4 or 6 times Benton’s payout ! So why is this race such a horrible deal compared to the low overhead Mom and pop track down the street that would never double or triple their purse if more entries showed? Jason, You are choosing the wrong race to use as a comparison. That race at Benton is not a great deal of a race and it is not designed to get 200 cars, it designed for local racers to race for a bigger top prize, but that's it. You cannot try to have a big money race at a track like Gateway and model it from Benton's megabucks, if that is what they are being advised to do, then they are being advised to fail.
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Post by ab5098 on Jun 27, 2018 6:30:00 GMT -6
Well Dennis i feel just the opposite I work in the heat I cut my grass in the heat so why wouldn't I do what I like to do in the heat ? We race cars not snow mobiles its a SUMMER sport ...............JMO.
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Post by 338d on Jun 27, 2018 6:35:54 GMT -6
Who's on the bracket race advisory committee that recommended cancelling and is fully in support of the decision. I believe that is what the press release said Not sure who is all on the committee currently. But when my phone rang and was asked, I did agree to cancel. I didn’t recommend it. I asked about pre entry’s and was told it was very low. I was actually ready to pre enter that day trying to save money and double enter Sunday because I couldn’t run Saturday. I said the heat affected a points race turnout in a big way just a few weeks ago. Maybe the lowest in years . Also about every racer I talked to on the phone had a variety of excuses of why they are not going so I agreed with management that this race would struggle , they do not want a flop believe it or not . So I gave my blessing to postpone until better weather in October. Sue me. Lol The main reason most were not going was because of the format of the race! Not many racers like to run an event that has no guarantee purse, double entries, and two rounds of buybacks. This has been beat to death, but why on earth do they not try to have the original megabucks race that Gateway was known for and never failed? Why does this committee not ask that question, because I would love to know the answer to why they insist on trying make a race of their own when the track had an established race that it was known for. Gateway and other tracks can call their race megabucks all they want, but Gateway was always known for that name. In todays world that race won't draw from the distances, but to this day I don't go race anywhere that someone doesn't bring up the old megabucks races and how much fun they were. Have they ever given you a reason on why they will not try that race?
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Post by racerone on Jun 27, 2018 6:37:30 GMT -6
Well Dennis i feel just the opposite I work in the heat I cut my grass in the heat so why wouldn't I do what I like to do in the heat ? We race cars not snow mobiles its a SUMMER sport ...............JMO. Dennis to say people hide in the toys, rec vehicles they have bought is wrong they worked for them . Just like a enclosed trailer better to have one then total a race car . I kinda work outside I don’t get much relief.lol I thought mj the reason they moved it was low car count first Then weather was 2nd . Hope it works out for them in October .
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Post by bracketracing on Jun 27, 2018 9:32:26 GMT -6
The format as it is will still not draw anymore than June schedule. A lot of people are done after Indy. I've never understood that. Many cars after a long season will not be up and running still. Hell both of mine are broke now. Hopefully up and running by Wednesday. Only time I go in the motorhome is to eat sleep and pee. When its a 100 even less. No peeing
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Post by jeremy341a on Jun 27, 2018 9:44:22 GMT -6
The reason the race was cancelled was 15 pre entries. The heat would have hurt the car count but it was going to be terrible regardless. Jason I don't need to sue you. It wa the right decision to cancel but not bc of the heat. If there were only 15 pre entires now why do they think October would be better? It is also is deceptive of them to say paying a minimum of 10k but then say 100 car min. I seen out of towners upset about that on fb.
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Post by drphillips309 on Jun 27, 2018 11:26:31 GMT -6
I agree it’s not a great deal . Neither is Benton I just used Benton as an Illinois example that is close to gateway. I’m sure this race was based on the Benton flyer but I could be wrong. Clay if I see and old classic megabucks flyer and mention why this format hasn’t been used. The thing that sticks in my head is it is better to cancel the race on Monday than what Jim probst and bill Moran did in the year 2000 for the super megabucks here. That was a Friday decision about 10am on a garenteed 50k purse to pull the plug by looking at the parking lot and saying “ wentzville is open Sunday if you really want to race” that was almost a riot!
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Post by p518 on Jun 27, 2018 14:47:40 GMT -6
The format as it is will still not draw anymore than June schedule. A lot of people are done after Indy. I've never understood that. Many cars after a long season will not be up and running still. Hell both of mine are broke now. Hopefully up and running by Wednesday. Only time I go in the motorhome is to eat sleep and pee. When its a 100 even less. No peeing Both cars broke? What did you do, now?
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Post by bracketracing on Jun 27, 2018 15:09:28 GMT -6
Tossed oil pump belt at 330' in the WJ car 2 weeks ago. Swapped motors for Martin Mi. While swapping it back into the red car found 2 freeze plugs leaking. My diaper was full And I found a lifter bad. Just in time no cam or bearing damage. Caught a break there. Will be ready for Tuesday 6.0 race
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Post by dennismopar73 on Jun 28, 2018 5:38:33 GMT -6
Well Dennis i feel just the opposite I work in the heat I cut my grass in the heat so why wouldn't I do what I like to do in the heat ? We race cars not snow mobiles its a SUMMER sport ...............JMO. Dennis to say people hide in the toys, rec vehicles they have bought is wrong they worked for them . Just like a enclosed trailer better to have one then total a race car . I kinda work outside I don’t get much relief.lol I thought mj the reason they moved it was low car count first Then weather was 2nd . Hope it works out for them in October . Low car counts because of weather !!! Kinda like if you want spectators, in heat on aluminum seats need some kind of cover,otherwise, No one wants to sit out in hot sun beating them down on burning seat . Racers have changed last decade, now you can run in rv, be cool, jump car run jump back get out heat, so yeah while it hot for that limited time, lot of guys don't have that option, so they put up a tent cover hoping stay out 100 plus degrees. Yeah Don they work for it it's great thing, But still Lot of racers don't have that and elect not to go racing when forecast get above 95, day time in heat of the day race. Racers caused this deal, Meaning We don't want be out past 10 pm Lol I'd rather they open at 3 pm time runs til 6 , elimation at 7 Run cars no more cars than gateway gets still be done by 10 11, if they'd run cars instead of playing around Just my small soap box
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