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Post by seeingred on Jan 30, 2016 11:37:40 GMT -6
Scott, your seat of the pants feel of the car and the info from your data recorder could give you a slight advantage over my seat of the pants feel of my car, as long as you do not over think, in getting our cars to be consistent. you have another advantage if you have someone who can video record your pass, I seldom have anyone with me to do that and have to hope someone does record the pass and posts it on facebook or youtube. I might not be able to see that video for 2 or 3 day, so it's of no help to me that day. even a picture of the launch would help, IF, IF I can see it that day. Then you aren't prepared. Who's fault is that? Open time runs on race day sucks, street tire cars tracking water out of the box makes it so even the best car can't repeat runs. Want open test and tune go Friday nights. I never raced at CID so can't say for sure but it doesn't seem to be a problem at I-57 , Accequater or Sikeston .
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Post by bracketracing on Jan 30, 2016 11:54:33 GMT -6
Gateway 2 time runs and race.
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Post by chad378t on Jan 30, 2016 12:07:53 GMT -6
Couldn't agree more. You have your open test day the night before and can still make 5-7 on race day. CID has problems and many of us voice them. Track prep isn't one though. You won't find a better surface anywhere. It's all Mitch. Not allowing him time to do what he needs to so track is good from night before would change that.
Would you rather bring in a few more cars at $30 or drive more away at $60. Coles, gateway, Cordova, Byron are all the same. I would agree if there was no TnT at all on race day.
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Post by problemchild on Jan 30, 2016 19:14:48 GMT -6
cars with street tires track water out of the box. why did the starting line crew not do their jobs and mop it up if you need test time go on friday nite. not everybody sets in an office from 8 am to 4:30 pm monday thru friday. some racers have to work 3 pm to 11 pm, what are they supposed to do, take the day off ?? when I was still working I was never off before 5:30, after a 14 hr day. it will be a cold day in haties when i shell out $10 each for test passes.
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Post by chad378t on Jan 31, 2016 8:09:10 GMT -6
[quote - switch back to Nhra will definitely bring more entries but...........[/quote]
I'd like know how going back to NHRA would bring in more cars. The only two tracks we cannot race is Gateway & Coles. None of those racers Come north anyway and if they did IHRA accepts NHRA credentials so they can race if they want. Also the Summit series we have for year end puts NHRA to shame. Guys who run divisional & nationals..:NHRA is way better.
Now if all these shakeups at IHRA kill that Summit series in a year or two...all bets are off
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Post by hunter5050 on Jan 31, 2016 8:47:25 GMT -6
First of all a new manager is the main problem (treat customers/employees right they return)me and many won't go back till change happens not only have they killed the jr dragster count ihra don't have much for them either remember the days of 20 + jr there easy money for track and future racers when grown up mmmmmmm I know all about ihra as I have Ran both for years now I'm Nhra only as it is recognized by ihra but still need ihra license for insurance and div/world finals if on a ihra track this also applies to jr dragsters again ihra has nothing for me now
Yep ihra is falling apart
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Post by dennismopar73 on Jan 31, 2016 8:57:31 GMT -6
[quote - switch back to Nhra will definitely bring more entries but........... I'd like know how going back to NHRA would bring in more cars. The only two tracks we cannot race is Gateway & Coles. None of those racers Come north anyway and if they did IHRA accepts NHRA credentials so they can race if they want. Also the Summit series we have for year end puts NHRA to shame. Guys who run divisional & nationals..:NHRA is way better. Now if all these shakeups at IHRA kill that Summit series in a year or two...all bets are off [/quote] The quick departure of IHRA prez and the departure of feld entertainment ,this seams more than any shake up As for the track going back to NHRA it should.never left it I'm sure it was a money thing nothing more And appeared to be a sensible move but the track has not enjoyed the previous notoriety over the history of the track being NHRA I see a lot of changes in the thought now behind NHRA and maybe they can start doing more for the tracks and racers
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Post by chad378t on Jan 31, 2016 9:01:31 GMT -6
I'll stay out of the personality issues. I respect everyone's opinion on that as we are different. All I can look at is the big cars and what we are offered. I have heard rumors of NHRA buying out the IHRA program and just leaving them their show. If so...ill be back. It's really all about the SSS program to me.
I never have looked at juniors. I may need to though. My youngest is really wanting one. I'm cleaning up our firebird right now because the new owner is coming for it. Dragster is for sale too. I'm going back to the GTO and run 6.50 or so. Go anywhere I want and not have all the costs of going fast. Money saved may be in jr parts though!!
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Post by chad378t on Jan 31, 2016 9:05:12 GMT -6
[quote - switch back to Nhra will definitely bring more entries but........... I'd like know how going back to NHRA would bring in more cars. The only two tracks we cannot race is Gateway & Coles. None of those racers Come north anyway and if they did IHRA accepts NHRA credentials so they can race if they want. Also the Summit series we have for year end puts NHRA to shame. Guys who run divisional & nationals..:NHRA is way better. Now if all these shakeups at IHRA kill that Summit series in a year or two...all bets are off The quick departure of IHRA prez and the departure of feld entertainment ,this seams more than any shake up As for the track going back to NHRA it should.never left it I'm sure it was a money thing nothing more And appeared to be a sensible move but the track has not enjoyed the previous notoriety over the history of the track being NHRA I see a lot of changes in the thought now behind NHRA and maybe they can start doing more for the tracks and racers [/quote] A sanctioning body does ZERO to make a track successful. It's up to them. Tracks earn cars by running good programs, good payouts, and creating an enjoyable environment t race at. But hey...you seem to be an equal opportunity bitcher regardless of what track it is.
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Post by dennismopar73 on Jan 31, 2016 10:53:31 GMT -6
Wasn't bitchen at all Brought up a topic that does concern a lot of racers. Personally Don't care what affiliations what track goes with ,most tracks started out as so called outlaw tracks anyways, NHRA is the premere association even with it issues it Back in the day it was AHRA ,was the league to go with IHRA has been trying to find a mitch with grass roots racers but never found itself or the recognition of NHRA
Your kinda correct it does depend on the tract itself to put on programs that are liked by the racers of the area. One thing is for sure racers can kill a track far worse than any association
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Post by problemchild on Jan 31, 2016 11:45:41 GMT -6
if ihra is falling by the wayside, that is gonna force me to make some changes to my car. the sooner we find out what is really going to happen the better.
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Post by chad378t on Feb 2, 2016 8:00:08 GMT -6
I agree with you both. I am more curious to see what happens with Cordova than I am with IHRA. Be a shame to see something go bad with that place. I always like the place and they draw a ton of street cars from the quad cities on Friday nights.
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Post by stevemaas on Feb 3, 2016 10:38:01 GMT -6
Steve, the racers who are wanting everyone to only get 2 time runs are the ones who are running those programable boxes where they can program in a time rpm curve so their car will repeat every pass. that puts many of us at a disadvantage, besides that the track will set for 3 hours when there could be cars going down it. and as far as going up Friday nite for T n T, how many racers have to work that evening and are not able to get off for that? not everyone is self employed or retired. what is the difference between a bottleneck caused by a few guys hotlapping during open time runs and setting in staging for 15 to 20 minutes when time runs are done by class??? NOTHING! CCD tried having open time runs and then having one official time run, do not recall hearing any complaints. Open time runs has been tried and failed. There are 2 time runs AND a shootout, so actually there are 3 if you choose to get in the shootout. There are more than "just a few" hotlappers, or as I call, Professional Test and Tuners. In addition, I worked 3-11 pm for 10 years.
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Post by Crossbones Dennis on Feb 5, 2016 18:34:53 GMT -6
The problem with open time runs is there is a different cadence to the different classes. SP rolls in at an idle. Pro and Street might bring up the RMP's and bump in. You wouldn't want to be the pro car up on the converter waiting for the SP car to go in.
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Post by problemchild on Feb 6, 2016 9:03:25 GMT -6
The problem with open time runs is there is a different cadence to the different classes. SP rolls in at an idle. Pro and Street might bring up the RMP's and bump in. You wouldn't want to be the pro car up on the converter waiting for the SP car to go in. why would anyone put their car on the 2 step or converter before both cars are staged ? I do not put my cars on the converter until the tree starts to come down. what it boils down to is," everybody wants an advantage, BUT ME."
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