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Post by 69b1dart on Nov 30, 2015 3:14:28 GMT -6
I only race at bonne terre,i have no intrest in gateway
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Post by 338d on Nov 30, 2015 6:53:33 GMT -6
I only race at bonne terre,i have no intrest in gateway Just like most people that race at Gateway have no interest in racing Bonne Terre! I know I won't race my car there! Benton is a great place to go, I just hate the 2 hour drive home at 1-2 in the morning. I agree with most, that the payouts at one track over the other isn't going to make that big of an impact on how many guys race at Gateway or Benton. It does suck when you think about it though, we are paying $15 more entry fee than we were 15-20 years ago and are racing for a much smaller total purse than we did 15-20 years ago! Been lots of rumors about them finally trying to make the points series worth committing too, so maybe they will come through with that and it will change the minds of those of us that aren't planning on signing up for points as of now.
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Post by drphillips309 on Nov 30, 2015 6:59:20 GMT -6
But clay people are racing for the fun and the glory on here . Payouts and buybacks mean nothing. It's all about going up and down the track as many times as you can. Plus gateway has 3 chances at fake Wally's Benton and bonne terre have zero
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Post by racerone on Nov 30, 2015 7:44:49 GMT -6
But clay people are racing for the fun and the glory on here . Payouts and buybacks mean nothing. It's all about going up and down the track as many times as you can. Plus gateway has 3 chances at fake Wally's Benton and bonne terre have zero Jason couple on here say that all the time but if you follow them they rarely race anywhere .lol Oh show me where they can make many runs down a track on a Sat nite ?Benton was the only one that had open time runs . As far as making a lot of runs Gateway on a Wed there numbers fell far off to draw ,that you could make atleast 5 on a wed . Just the sign of the times 1 or 2 time runs then eliminations .Most are really opposed to buying for a time run at Gateway hope they don't do that this year .
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Post by seeingred on Nov 30, 2015 8:22:52 GMT -6
But clay people are racing for the fun and the glory on here . Payouts and buybacks mean nothing. It's all about going up and down the track as many times as you can. Plus gateway has 3 chances at fake Wally's Benton and bonne terre have zero Jason couple on here say that all the time but if you follow them they rarely race anywhere .lol Oh show me where they can make many runs down a track on a Sat nite ?Benton was the only one that had open time runs . As far as making a lot of runs Gateway on a Wed there numbers fell far off to draw ,that you could make atleast 5 on a wed . Just the sign of the times 1 or 2 time runs then eliminations .Most are really opposed to buying for a time run at Gateway hope they don't do that this year . I believe sikeston and accelaquarter also start with open time runs . I'm fine with just two time runs on race day the first one is a throw away for me because it doesn't matter how much I drive the car around to warm it up it seems the rest of the car doesn't until I make a pass . It seems that the tracks that have open time runs only have one official time run before things get going. the only way I would even consider to pay for time run is if a racer wins half and the other half go to help the points fund .
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Post by seeingred on Nov 30, 2015 10:05:32 GMT -6
I know this thread is about payout but I think points can be included in the discussion - So here is my thought in an earlier post I mentioned paying for second time run if half the pot went to a run for the money winner and the other half went to help the points fund buuuuuut please correct me if you feel differently about this statement - shouldn't someone at the track be looking for ways to increase the points fund through sponsorship or did the lineman sponsorship come to them out of the air ? I think it's called marketing but what do I know I work with a shovel for a living .
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Post by drphillips309 on Nov 30, 2015 10:10:06 GMT -6
It's in the works. Keep your fingers crossed and give it a few weeks.
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Post by moparsz on Nov 30, 2015 11:07:25 GMT -6
It's in the works. Keep your fingers crossed and give it a few weeks. Didn't they say that last season for this season or am I thinking of something else
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Post by 358t on Nov 30, 2015 11:08:53 GMT -6
None. In my opinion they will have the same people racing as before so carcounts will remain about the same especially since Benton is up and running again. Those who have complained about the tier system and the vaguely non-guaranteed purses will still choose to race elsewhere and meanwhile we now have a capped payout system. Hope I'm wrong... Scott Next question is - if I57 pays 1500 to win in S/pro again in 2016 how many gateway racers in S/pro will travel their ? Don't know... Personally I'll probably still go to GMP on a regular basis. Not because I don't like Benton, but on the contrary, I think it's a great little track. But just that GMP is also a pretty decent track while it offers me multiple classes to race in and is closer, therefore cheaper and less time consuming. Could be wrong but I think there are a lot of other people out there with the same thought process therefore they will do the same. Scott
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Post by 358t on Nov 30, 2015 11:19:12 GMT -6
But clay people are racing for the fun and the glory on here . Payouts and buybacks mean nothing. It's all about going up and down the track as many times as you can. Plus gateway has 3 chances at fake Wally's Benton and bonne terre have zero What's wrong with having fun and going for the glory? Why the hate (calling them fake) on the Mini Wally's? Scott
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Post by drphillips309 on Nov 30, 2015 11:40:16 GMT -6
But clay people are racing for the fun and the glory on here . Payouts and buybacks mean nothing. It's all about going up and down the track as many times as you can. Plus gateway has 3 chances at fake Wally's Benton and bonne terre have zero What's wrong with having fun and going for the glory? Why the hate (calling them fake) on the Mini Wally's? Scott Not hating just making a point that the current trend on this site for the majority is not about big purses or short drives it's about winning and bragging rights and glory and making a lot of passes . Not efficiency and and attempting to break even money wise. So imagine how hard it would be to be a track manager or race promoter. Trying to please racers is impossible it seems
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Post by jeremy341a on Nov 30, 2015 13:15:51 GMT -6
Best way to break even is to not go. I race for the fun. If I'm not going down the track and winning then it's not fun. The purses just give me more money to afford to go more. If I was worried about the money or breaking even then the right move is to quit.
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Post by 396z on Nov 30, 2015 13:51:56 GMT -6
I agree with Jeremy although I think he does a little better than break even. None of us are doing this for a living. But everything is more expensive and as Clay mentioned, we aren't even taking home as much as we were 10 to 20 years ago. So that puts the squeeze on the racers. Then we wonder why car counts are dropping. It just got too expensive for many. I didn't have a great year, but it was better than most people. I came in 4 th place. Made it to a couple finals. I've won several races over the last several years and I haven't made enough to even get a 1099 from Gateway since it re opened and I doubt that very many others have either. I can tell you I got a 1099 from Gateway every year Since 2000 until they closed. That's just the way things are now. The question is will payouts and points funds grow to the point that new people are attracted or old people return or will racers continue to get squeezed until nobody particates any longer. Personally I hope for some creative minds who figure out a way to capitalize on the sport rather than let it die out.
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Post by seeingred on Nov 30, 2015 14:21:47 GMT -6
What's wrong with having fun and going for the glory? Why the hate (calling them fake) on the Mini Wally's? Scott Not hating just making a point that the current trend on this site for the majority is not about big purses or short drives it's about winning and bragging rights and glory and making a lot of passes . Not efficiency and and attempting to break even money wise. So imagine how hard it would be to be a track manager or race promoter. Trying to please racers is impossible it seems I'm all for big purses and I really like a 16 car latter where the pay 1/8ths I would think the glory of the winner circle must be pretty cool also and for me buybacks make it more possible
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Post by drphillips309 on Nov 30, 2015 15:05:44 GMT -6
Best way to break even is to not go. I race for the fun. If I'm not going down the track and winning then it's not fun. The purses just give me more money to afford to go more. If I was worried about the money or breaking even then the right move is to quit. "The purse just gives more money to afford to go more" well that's what I meant about breaking even . The winnings help offset the cost of racing . I have fun racing and winning also if I didn't have fun I would quit . But winning bigger purses seams more fun to me. A guy can dream can't he?
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