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Post by seeingred on Nov 25, 2015 20:36:35 GMT -6
I lose first round as much as the next guy but why would I want to split a $40 time run if I don't have to .Most people ask me to split round 1 . So my entry fee is now $85 for sure and I have to run an extra run no matter what whether I win or not. I never had any one ask me to split the buy back lol and I wouldn't if they did , for me when I win first round I feel like I already won money ( whatever the buy back amount is at whatever race I am at ).
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Post by moparsz on Nov 26, 2015 4:15:28 GMT -6
I lose first round as much as the next guy but why would I want to split a $40 time run if I don't have to .Most people ask me to split round 1 . So my entry fee is now $85 for sure and I have to run an extra run no matter what whether I win or not. What does split round one meanĀ I dont understand this post Basically you pay half and whoever you were running pay half of the buyback. If we were running sportsman and I beat you. I would come over to your pit after that round and give you $10
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Post by bartc on Nov 26, 2015 7:01:05 GMT -6
Thanks
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Post by 396z on Nov 26, 2015 8:17:36 GMT -6
Splitting buy back is so odd to me. Don't see the point. And paying someone's buy back to lose so you get the points.... Well, that's just sad.
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Post by seeingred on Nov 26, 2015 8:20:42 GMT -6
Splitting buy back is so odd to me. Don't see the point. And paying someone's buy back to lose so you get the points.... Well, that's just sad. Sad or cheating ? Sounds more like the latter to me .
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Post by bartc on Nov 26, 2015 9:34:48 GMT -6
Splitting buy back is so odd to me.... And paying someone's buy back to lose so you get the points.... Well, that's just sad. Exactly, ive got principles To throw a round i need at least 200% of the cost of the buy back Jesss that's only "fair"! Cant believe anyone would do it for less
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Post by 358t on Nov 26, 2015 10:52:58 GMT -6
Jason isn't talking about throwing the round. I don't think any of us agree with that and if there are some that think it's OK to do then IMO they are wrong to do it.
Splitting the buyback with someone is like buying insurance. Basically you are guaranteeing you make it to the next round for a nominal fee. I go hot and cold on it... Sometimes I do it but the majority of the time I don't. And I don't ask to do it.
Scott
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Post by moparsz on Nov 26, 2015 12:03:40 GMT -6
I've never asked anyone to throw a race for me, but if I get paired with a friend I'll split the buyback
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Post by drphillips309 on Nov 26, 2015 13:25:04 GMT -6
Exactly . Nobody is talking about throwing races . It's like splitting in the final it's called being nice. Its pretty arrogant when someone asks to do a split and then you say no thanks I'm far superior to you. Most of the time the guy who declines a split losses. Karma.
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Post by drphillips309 on Nov 26, 2015 13:27:51 GMT -6
Splitting buy back is so odd to me. Don't see the point. And paying someone's buy back to lose so you get the points.... Well, that's just sad. Sad or cheating ? Sounds more like the latter to me . You better talk to dan smith and learn a few things about racing before you come on here accusing people of cheating when you don't even know what splitting a buyback even means.
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Post by bartc on Nov 26, 2015 14:34:18 GMT -6
Its pretty arrogant when someone asks to do a split and then you say no thanks I'm far superior to you. Most of the time the guy who declines a split losses. Karma. I agree with you most of the time, but not on the above. As an argument lets say my position is I never buyback. I enter one class and pay $55 dollars. That's my budget and I'm fully prepared to put the car on the trailer and go home when I lose. So if you approach me and ask to split a buyback, I'll most likely say" No I don't want to". Its not arrogant and I'm not superior. It just means splitting a buyback doesn't fit my budget, plan or personal philosophy. When I go to the track or anywhere that I am going to spend money, I always make a mental note. This is my budget and this is how I'm going to spend it. If I think I might want a buyback, lets say maybe there is only one time run, then I'll build the buyback into my budget and I'm prepared to pay the full amount.
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Post by 358t on Nov 26, 2015 15:16:52 GMT -6
Exactly . Nobody is talking about throwing races . It's like splitting in the final it's called being nice. Its pretty arrogant when someone asks to do a split and then you say no thanks I'm far superior to you. Most of the time the guy who declines a split losses. Karma. I declined a spilt offer in the final at the national dragster race this past October. I don't feel it is "arrogant" to not split in a final or not split a buyback at a weekly bracket race. Where does a person draw the line? Split with everybody all the time, or just split with "friends",? or don't split at all? I think we are all there to "win" and the difference in payout isn't that great to create potential animosity by forcing people to make those decisions. I don't think and hope my opponent wasn't upset about it as I wasn't being arrogant or being an a-hole when I gracefully declined. NOW, Big money races or any race where the purse is very top heavy... now that is a different scenario and I'm definitely more open minded in those scenarios. And then the who pays the tax on the winnings thing is another can of worms. And that Karma thing can backfire. Agreeing to split can cause a person to become complacent and lose the race. Or maybe it's like you say and the person who feels hurt because of a declined split is more motivated. Or maybe the person who feels hurt because of no split tries too hard and causes a self inflicted loss. Scott
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Post by drphillips309 on Nov 26, 2015 15:38:28 GMT -6
Both points are very true . I guess it's personal prefrance and the situation . Most Gmp points races I would not split but the top heavy races I like to ask.
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Post by seeingred on Nov 26, 2015 17:47:33 GMT -6
Sad or cheating ? Sounds more like the latter to me . You better talk to dan smith and learn a few things about racing before you come on here accusing people of cheating when you don't even know what splitting a buyback even means. Cool your jets Jason if you read the post I was responding to and what I posted it was in response to 396z 's post when he posted "paying someones buyback to lose so you get the points ...... well thats just sad" I don't need to talk to Dan Smith or any one else to know what is right or wrong , I'm a big boy heck I even tied my own shoes the other day ! And as far as the calling cheating is concerned cheating was talked about going on at the last points race on this site but people didn't want to mention names because they liked the people involved - and when you throw a round for some one that IS cheating ! drop the mic
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Post by drphillips309 on Nov 26, 2015 17:59:25 GMT -6
Ok I have cooled them down . I get wound up to much sometimes .
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