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Post by bracketracing on Aug 9, 2015 20:06:57 GMT -6
This should be my last response on this subject. There is no way in hell they are the same parts. I've been a technician and a service manager for a GM dealer since 1989. Those parts are 1/2 the cost for a reason. You replace 3 alternators or starters from the zone to get a good one. Hub bearings last a year. Converters maybe a year then won't clean the air. You must be drinking their look aide
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Post by dennismopar73 on Aug 9, 2015 20:14:02 GMT -6
This should be my last response on this subject. There is no way in hell they are the same parts. I've been a technician and a service manager for a GM dealer since 1989. Those parts are 1/2 the cost for a reason. You replace 3 alternators or starters from the zone to get a good one. Hub bearings last a year. Converters maybe a year then won't clean the air. You must be drinking their look aide Hated to be the one to tell you But is what it is. I could tell you stuff you'd never believe about your moog parts too but I see your heart is broken
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Post by bracketracing on Aug 9, 2015 20:29:54 GMT -6
I knew it wouldn't be my last comment. It's just a shame that some will believe you and they will be extremely disappointed to have to work on there cars again for the same thing. How many professional techs would agree with you and use zone over napa? Leave factory parts out of it. You said they are the same they are not. The quality is not the same proved it to myself many times or my customers have by trying it themselves first.
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Post by dennismopar73 on Aug 9, 2015 20:41:57 GMT -6
I knew it wouldn't be my last comment. It's just a shame that some will believe you and they will be extremely disappointed to have to work on there cars again for the same thing. How many professional techs would agree with you and use zone over napa? Leave factory parts out of it. You said they are the same they are not. The quality is not the same proved it to myself many times or my customers have by trying it themselves first. Well I deal with professional mechanics all the Time I have ran comercial programs for the last three box store Sold lots of parts to mechanics to ford Chevy dealers from wood river to granite city edwardsville As Well as ford dealers too So most mechanics know what I know You can get bad parts from anyone it's who deal with honestly knowledgeable can get the parts to you if there am issue it's taken care of quickly no hassle
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Post by p518 on Aug 10, 2015 5:55:33 GMT -6
Kevin - When two people are arguing... from a distance no one can tell which one is the fool. May as well walk away, now. I know for a fact you aren't the fool.
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Post by drphillips309 on Aug 10, 2015 5:56:59 GMT -6
Kevin vs Dennis in a classic battle! Please continue
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Post by bracketracing on Aug 10, 2015 6:56:34 GMT -6
I said it was my last comment when I started on this topic and I knew where it would go. :)I'm done lol
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Post by chad378t on Aug 10, 2015 7:08:52 GMT -6
This is a subject I know plenty about. I am a buyer for the worlds largest mfg. of construction equipment. I buy Non-current parts for field amchines. (nothing going into plants) 99% of my 9000 parts are sourced in the midwest. (and I fight to keep it that way) I have a counter part in the Asia region who handles stuff there. Believe it or not, large companies do model each other's sourcing matrix's and practices. This is not across the board of course but remember...the perception of quality in AP or South America is not the same as here.
Couple of key points:
1 - Not all parts are exact. We call this "dual sourcing". The same part can be made in different regions. That way parts sold in AP will have a lower mfg. cost than the ones sold in US or Europe so they can be sold there for profit. It also saves freight. This often can be why you get inconsistent quality. If parts are reallocated to another region due to demand spikes or a mfg. shortfall.....now you have China parts in the US.
2 - Steel, electricity, and other raw materials are subsidized by the governments. Right now China is trying to kill US steel by marketing product below market value.
3 - Steel is a lower grade, Heat treat is not as uniformed or consisdtent often due to power grid issues and what suppliers are allowed to use.
4 - No EPA, OHSA, disposal fee's etc.
5 - Cheap labor = heavy use of manual equipment. You can't believe how few CNC machines are used there. People think of the low wage but manual machines also keep overhead low for the owner. This also is why fit and finish can vary so much. You can't source just anything there. Primarily Lower complexity stuff.
Good news is.....these lower cost regions are starting to catch up the developed world. I do see a time when mfg. comes back because the costs in those areas will no longer be able to offset shipping & the increased inventory needed here.
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Post by hunter5050 on Aug 10, 2015 7:27:07 GMT -6
That's why them autozone rebuilt parts don't last they are rebuilt on ships off shore salty environment no taxes to city ,USA cheap labor = crap Not just autozone does this this is a quote from a big wig from AZ that I delivered a car to about 8 years ago Having worked for the zone 41/2 years advance auto over 8 years now O'Reilly that's not true statement at all Everyone deals with same parts You can get good n bad no matter who carries the part because coming same place Yes it is true straight from a autozones district manager mouth as I was delivering him a new Benz I also worked for advance and Napa for about 10 years between the 2 They have there new or rebuilt parts I'm talking about rebuilds
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Post by dennismopar73 on Aug 10, 2015 7:36:30 GMT -6
Almost all rebuild alt starters are under the banner of Delphi Remi Same as everyone Name In the box changes. Parts is parts
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Post by dennismopar73 on Aug 10, 2015 8:28:42 GMT -6
Just like tractors. All owned by one big conglomerate Tenneco corp Same Company who owns Cummings Monroe shocks Gabriel shocks You would be amazed at where your parts actually Come from There was a time tho it was as you said. But that's been taken out long time ago with companies being bought out Taken over and companies saving money By not Having several companies under their control building same product so consolidation of manufacture Of Parts Life goes on
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Post by 548h on Aug 10, 2015 8:59:55 GMT -6
Ahhh. The parts business. Let's just say it is difficult to stay on top of who makes what for who any more. As a shop owner let me say parts quality over the last several years has made a major decline as a whole. Once trusted brand names have sold out for cheaper manufacturing costs to appeal to cheap buying tendencies of the majority of their customers. Including shops and private customers. It's so bad that often time we have to remind the sources we use frequently that we don't sell certain brands or types of parts they offer because of this quality issue. Out of habit, or their policy, lesser brands or level of quality is the "go to" part when looking something up for a professional shop. That's a problem. And they all (except the dealer) do it. Take AC Delco for instance (not picking on them just have lots of experience with this). Most people don't know there is a "professional" line and there is an "oe replacement" line. If you get the professional line you will find it is most often (refraining from using the word always) an imported replica of the oe replacement part. Also you would be surprised to find that often times they actually charge more for it! But if you don't know to ask for the oe replacement you will likely get the lesser, more likely to fail early, part.
What's the solution? Insist on oem grade or better parts when you shop for parts , or get your car fixed. If you can't afford that. Or, don't want to afford that. Then don't get mad when it fails. And furthermore, unlike the dealer (parts warranty), there is little or no assistance (labor cost) from the parts manufacturers when their parts fail in an untimely manner. So who pays for that? And nobody involved is happy.
Obviously companies have to make a profit to stay in business. As long as their customers are buying cheap stuff, they're going to make it and sell it. If customers demand higher quality, that trend will follow the dollars. The result will be better parts. So, the action that needs to be taken is to choose wisely who gets your money. And make sure they know that you want "the good stuff". If your not willing to do that, then don't complain about it.
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Post by dennismopar73 on Aug 10, 2015 9:09:42 GMT -6
Kevin vs Dennis in a classic battle! Please continue It's ok to disagree I hear this from time to time as long as the customer is happy who cares. Where a part comes from that fixes the issue.
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Post by 396z on Aug 10, 2015 9:41:54 GMT -6
NAFTA helped create the global economy. Now we are left to deal with it. Manufacturing is not coming back to the US for a very long time if ever and we are also outsourcing many IT and prefessional level jobs now too. There are always niche areas that require very specialized material or training that stay domestic. But the bottom line is for several generations, there will always be some third world country that will work for a fraction of what a US employee needs to make a living.
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Post by chad378t on Aug 10, 2015 11:30:42 GMT -6
AP & India and climbing so fast their governments are trying to slow it down. South America has too much govenrment corruption.
Africa will be the next "hot" region.
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