92ga
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Post by 92ga on Aug 21, 2012 19:00:39 GMT -6
I belive quick disconnects on a delay box are actually illegal by NHRA rules. Why would that be? Got any idea where it states that in the rule book? I've never seen that, and it's legal at CID, and was when it was Midstate. If you run the car in both classes S/p and pro the box has to be removed to run in pro. I have a 4 wire plug on mine, and when I remove the box I install another plug with a bypass wire so the tranbrake will still work. I'd sure like to see where it states you have to have the box wired with NO connections between the componets.
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Post by billtrail on Aug 21, 2012 21:04:52 GMT -6
the box issue was addressed before people and they need to be zerod out and i believe,not sure, maybe covered
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Post by Crossbones Dennis on Aug 22, 2012 5:18:17 GMT -6
I belive quick disconnects on a delay box are actually illegal by NHRA rules. Why would that be? Got any idea where it states that in the rule book? I've never seen that, and it's legal at CID, and was when it was Midstate. If you run the car in both classes S/p and pro the box has to be removed to run in pro. I have a 4 wire plug on mine, and when I remove the box I install another plug with a bypass wire so the tranbrake will still work. I'd sure like to see where it states you have to have the box wired with NO connections between the componets. I think the reason is so that you can't easily take the box out and put it back in. It helps keep people from cheating by running a box in a no box class and simply yanking it out on the retrun road if they think they are going to be inspected. NHRA rulebook General Regs 8:2 In categories that prohibit delay devices: Changeable vehicle components, legal unto themselves (solenoids, throttle-linkage components, hoses, springs, etc.), even though the removal and replacement of that component may affect the reaction time of the vehicle in relation to the driver action, is not considered a delay device. Wiring may consist of a single (i.e., “one” or “1”) continuous wire from a power source to a switch (or button), and a single continuous wire from the switch to the transbrake or line-loc solenoid. One splice (no quick-disconnect) is permitted from the two-step to the solenoid (i.e., between the switch and the solenoid).[/b]
All switches, buttons, wiring, solenoids, etc. must be for normal automotive use; i.e., not intended to create a delay (adjustable or non-adjustable) between release of the button and the resultant action of the solenoid. All line-loc/transbrake wiring before and after the switch must be separate from any other wiring and fully visible. Computer wiring, sensors, relays, and the like may not be wired to the solenoid wiring.
Two-steps or other rev limiters that are adjustable by thumbwheel, replaceable chips, and the like may not be within the driver’s reach and will preferably be located outside the driver compartment.
Any system that does not fit the above description is prohibited and must be corrected before the vehicle will be passed through preevent technical inspection. Further, discovery of a delay device, adjustable or non-adjustable, at any time following pre-event technical inspection will be grounds for immediate disqualification from the event, loss of all NHRA Full Throttle Drag Racing Series points for the season, and suspension from all NHRA Championship Drag Racing events for remainder of season. Additional penalties may be imposed at the discretion of NHRA.
Even if you remove the box, it is still technically illegal if you can reach your two-step box.
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Post by bantam32 on Aug 22, 2012 7:41:19 GMT -6
Why do we over complicate things,just take the box out or pro tree and be done with it period.This is not a national event,quit trying to re-invent the wheel Nostaglia means no boxes where I come from.Im not trying to be an a-hole but I believe you will find the hard core nostaglia guys like me do not like electronics.Its not the end of the world,Its one day of racing. Please do not take offence to my posts it is just opinions
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Post by dragindart on Aug 22, 2012 8:57:21 GMT -6
Why do we over complicate things,just take the box out or pro tree and be done with it period.This is not a national event,quit trying to re-invent the wheel Nostaglia means no boxes where I come from.Im not trying to be an a-hole but I believe you will find the hard core nostaglia guys like me do not like electronics.Its not the end of the world,Its one day of racing. Please do not take offence to my posts it is just opinions I agree. I haven't raced at CID this year and I'm planning to come over to this race. I wish the track would just come out and say how it's gong to be. If the boxes are allowed, the cross over feature could give a faster car an advantage even with a pro tree unless the tree is shaded.
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Post by Leigh Ann on Aug 22, 2012 9:16:22 GMT -6
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Post by bantam32 on Aug 22, 2012 10:08:23 GMT -6
CID Eliminator 7.49 and quicker class - .4 pro tree (Delay boxes may be left in vehicles but must be zeroed out or taped over. Crosstalk will be off.) CID Eliminator 7.50 and slower class - .5 full tree, no electronics centralillinoisdragway.com/uploads/Fall_Nostalgia_Event.pdfSounds fair to me Thanks Leigh-Ann for the clarification.We will see you Friday.
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Post by dragindart on Aug 22, 2012 10:37:41 GMT -6
CID Eliminator 7.49 and quicker class - .4 pro tree (Delay boxes may be left in vehicles but must be zeroed out or taped over. Crosstalk will be off.) CID Eliminator 7.50 and slower class - .5 full tree, no electronics centralillinoisdragway.com/uploads/Fall_Nostalgia_Event.pdfThank -You. Sounds like it's going to be a fun day.
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Post by stevemaas on Aug 22, 2012 14:33:54 GMT -6
A Q16 has been added to Sundays program.
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92ga
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Post by 92ga on Aug 22, 2012 16:12:00 GMT -6
Wiring may consist of a single (i.e., “one” or “1”) continuous wire from a power source to a switch (or button), and a single continuous wire from the switch to the transbrake or line-loc solenoid. One splice (no quick-disconnect) is permitted from the two-step to the solenoid (i.e., between the switch and the solenoid
Good find Dennis. I could still make my car legal with the one splice clause, and so could anyone else. It will just take another 6 ft of wire and a couple connecters. Athough it'd take another 30 seconds or so to get the box out. It would very difficult for the driver to remove the box from my car on the return road, though I wouldn't say impossible, for me yes, but a young buck that's very agile might be able to. I'll make the change now. Thanks for showing that to me.
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Post by Crossbones Dennis on Aug 22, 2012 17:22:53 GMT -6
Wiring may consist of a single (i.e., “one” or “1”) continuous wire from a power source to a switch (or button), and a single continuous wire from the switch to the transbrake or line-loc solenoid. One splice (no quick-disconnect) is permitted from the two-step to the solenoid (i.e., between the switch and the solenoid Good find Dennis. I could still make my car legal with the one splice clause, and so could anyone else. It will just take another 6 ft of wire and a couple connecters. Athough it'd take another 30 seconds or so to get the box out. It would very difficult for the driver to remove the box from my car on the return road, though I wouldn't say impossible, for me yes, but a young buck that's very agile might be able to. I'll make the change now. Thanks for showing that to me. It's a rule that most tracks probably don't enforce.
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Post by Crossbones Dennis on Aug 22, 2012 17:28:38 GMT -6
Why do we over complicate things,just take the box out or pro tree and be done with it period.This is not a national event,quit trying to re-invent the wheel Nostaglia means no boxes where I come from.Im not trying to be an a-hole but I believe you will find the hard core nostaglia guys like me do not like electronics.Its not the end of the world,Its one day of racing. Please do not take offence to my posts it is just opinions I value your opinion. No offense taken. You say nostalgia means no boxes, your car is hardly a nostalgia car by any means. It's a very nice high tech piece but if you tried to take it to an event like the hamb drags, they would not let you race because it's not in the "spirit" of the nostalgia cars. They told me mine would not be welcome because it has a big block chevy.
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Post by bantam32 on Aug 23, 2012 7:19:35 GMT -6
Why do we over complicate things,just take the box out or pro tree and be done with it period.This is not a national event,quit trying to re-invent the wheel Nostalgia means no boxes where I come from.I'm not trying to be an a-hole but I believe you will find the hard core nostalgia guys like me do not like electronics.Its not the end of the world,Its one day of racing. Please do not take of fence to my posts it is just opinions I value your opinion. No offense taken. You say nostalgia means no boxes, your car is hardly a nostalgia car by any means. It's a very nice high tech piece but if you tried to take it to an event like the hamb drags, they would not let you race because it's not in the "spirit" of the nostalgia cars. They told me mine would not be welcome because it has a big block chevy. You are a 100 % correct.The hambs is defiantly on the other end of the spectrum.I cant change the racing world as far as electronics.Its here to stay ! Talk about feeling like and idiot, Entered super pro and and boy have things changed a lot .Don't remember "cross talk" and no body told me how that works,Now I know,Nothing like looking like a BOZO. I thought I was loosing my mind and my car was possessed ! ;D
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