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Post by problemchild on Jul 29, 2015 19:33:40 GMT -6
What are everybody's thoughts on the upcoming pro stock rule changes
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Post by dennismopar73 on Jul 30, 2015 5:45:38 GMT -6
EFI not the answer in fact it help kill it further
Keeping it natural aspirated I would eliminate the data loggers n such let chassie n set up guys figure track conditions
Keep small block 500 cu rules
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Post by 548h on Jul 30, 2015 6:56:51 GMT -6
I like the move they are making from a fan/spectator point of view. To me, Pro Stock should more resemble the actual cars that consumers could see in the show room. Not identical, but something they can relate too. There hasn't been a factory carburated vehicle for almost 30 years now.
On the other hand. From a racers point of view, these changes will likely cost all teams quite a lot of time and money to adapt. How much support will these teams get from their major sponsors?
Will this increase or decrease the number of competitive teams? Time will tell. But I for one, like the change. To me, I was bored with Pro Stock the way it has been.
In addition to EFI make the base engine design be the type offered by that factory group. GM = LS/LT, Ford = Coyote/Modular, Mopar = Hemi. Let them turbo or supercharge them like their factory counterparts. They all do it already.
This would bring more brand loyalty and excitement I think.
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Post by dennismopar73 on Jul 30, 2015 8:58:02 GMT -6
Going to injection brings way to much to bear as financially
that's the reason pro stock as well as other classes are dwindling away
Prize money has to go up !
As for what's cars appear take some scoop away tire size is fine the way it is as far as what is seen on showroom floor go to supper stock do away with pro stock altogether then
Maybe it's time to have an entirely new class of pro street cars
Put pro stock in the catagory of nostalgia class keep as it is
Bring back pro stock truck no bigger Ci than 358
Just a thought
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Post by 396z on Jul 30, 2015 9:41:10 GMT -6
I don't understand why you go from not allowing fuel injection to requiring it, but I think it's way past time to allow fuel injection. I don't see the point of shorter wheelie bars. I've always thought the giant hood scopes were ugly.
I agree with Tom on the factory motors with superchargers. It might bring some new Pro Mod blood into Pro Stock. It would definitely make things more interesting.
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Post by dennismopar73 on Jul 30, 2015 13:59:18 GMT -6
Then you'd have the same classes as pro mod pro extream
Allowing injection is bad because teams already leaving over high cost of operation it would be the death to a lot of teams already burned by to much engineering r&d
Couldn't imagine the added injection dealings
They type of injection needed in the class and the r&d needed would kill the class
Removing hood scoops totally is not needed
Biggest issue is teams not making money ,,event wins is not enough to sustain a team
The Glendora boys need to give up some
Salary and put into payouts
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Post by p518 on Jul 30, 2015 15:09:35 GMT -6
Guaranteed that most of the R & D has already been done by the majority of the interested teams. Pretty sure the big ones had input on this with the NHRA. These cars will flat fly once the bugs get sorted out. I suspect the fans will like no hood scoops and would like it more if the cars resembled real manufactured automobiles.
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Post by seeingred on Jul 30, 2015 17:19:27 GMT -6
I like the electronic fuel injection idea , like it has been said no new car has a carburetor , shorter wheelie bars I don't like it's hard enough to get a pro stock car down the track as it is . I would rather see production shell with carbon fiber or fiberglass front clip , doors , deck lid the rear wheel wells can be stretched for the big slicks and stretch the front fenders no more then four inches and stock style block and heads then pro stock would be fun to watch again . And while your at it a funny car should have to look enough like what it is suppose to be to be able to figure out what it is with out stickers.
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Post by dennismopar73 on Jul 30, 2015 21:08:30 GMT -6
To be quite honest I just do think there is a lot wrong with the class as it stands other than it takes so much to run it
For dollars won
Removing a pair of wheelee bars saves no money
Removing the scoops means little
It's all ready R&D for small increases after hundreds if not thousands to see hundreths of gains
Now go add injection. Supercharged etc yes some
Injection stuff has been R&D but not on pro stock as it stands
So many new rules would have to be invented how would it be inforced
Would only couple injector styles pumps delivery system
Timers
Let's
Not forget traction control devises
They all ready having issues with traction
Taking away wheelee bars. Scoop sets will really upset the cars even more and on marginal tracks disaster will strike
I would rather see marginal changes maybe start a new class all together
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Post by eticket on Jul 31, 2015 4:19:33 GMT -6
If I remember correctly Warren Johnson was pushing for fuel injection a long time back. Either way F.I. or carbs R&D costs would be similar. It still takes bucks to go fast. Personally I prefer Pro Stock to T/F or Funny car.
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Post by problemchild on Jul 31, 2015 6:59:02 GMT -6
they say that shorter wheelie bars will make the chassis setup more important, letting the front end rise more. problem I see is you could have cars pulling wheelies and unloading the rear tires due to those shorter bars.
I agree, they should have the cars look like what you can buy at the dealership. at least the Chevys look like a Camaro, while they had to tell me that was a Dodge Dart, or before that a Charger. allow them to change the nose some and have them run the Hellcat. NOT SOMETHING THAT LOOKS LIKE IT WAS DESIGNED ON A COMPUTER, and looks like a throw back to the Pontiac GXPs.
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Post by chad378t on Jul 31, 2015 6:59:05 GMT -6
I don't think cost for the EFI will be as far out as you may think. Most of the teams have specific carbs built/tuned for each race. That will not be required with EFI. A simple program change will do it for probably everywhere but Denver. We have a GMC Syclone with a turbo 18* SBC for street cruising. I can get 16-18 mpg on one tune, stop and change over in 2 mins to a mid 6 second tune. The baseline programs can be easily created and if done like F1...will be sealed units. Then it's up to teh teams to modify the mapping etc. That is how ours works. Software is everywhere now in tons of classes.
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Post by drphillips309 on Jul 31, 2015 7:30:00 GMT -6
What I heard is within 3 years the only engines pro stock can use will be from the factory. It will be a blown crate motor with minor mods. The ford cornea jet engines make 1500hp stock with the 4 liter blower so with alittle work it will be close to 1800 like they have now.
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Post by 396z on Jul 31, 2015 8:06:25 GMT -6
I don't think cost for the EFI will be as far out as you may think. Most of the teams have specific carbs built/tuned for each race. That will not be required with EFI. A simple program change will do it for probably everywhere but Denver. We have a GMC Syclone with a turbo 18* SBC for street cruising. I can get 16-18 mpg on one tune, stop and change over in 2 mins to a mid 6 second tune. The baseline programs can be easily created and if done like F1...will be sealed units. Then it's up to teh teams to modify the mapping etc. That is how ours works. Software is everywhere now in tons of classes.
EFI will definitely be easier for them to tune. And they will be able to adjust EFI curve to help with traction.
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Post by 396z on Jul 31, 2015 8:07:43 GMT -6
What I heard is within 3 years the only engines pro stock can use will be from the factory. It will be a blown crate motor with minor mods. The ford cornea jet engines make 1500hp stock with the 4 liter blower so with alittle work it will be close to 1800 like they have now.
Would be interesting to see how well these factory motors live at 1800HP.
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