CID Payout

[stevemaas]

A lot of discussion about the payout at CID lately with the great car counts we have been having there.

[josephlay]

Sorry, A smart @$$ question deserves a smart @$$ reply. Cool survey though. Truth is I won't enter a bracket race at CID with my "true" street car unless the management bans the use of trans brakes and line locks in the street car class. That's why I run in events like this Friday night which prohibits them.

Overall I think the current management is doing a great job! Lets face it the crappy little street cars like mine don't pay the bills at a place like that,

Good luck!

[dennismopar73]

Payouts should be based on car counts as of first round!,
due to cars breaking getting break cards and such,.
Unless the purse has a sponsor for the year for payouts then payouts could be grarenteed , other than that pro rate has to be established,
As for t brakes in street class , one might as well pee in the wind on that, they are there , and here to stay! not that I agree , but is what it is !

[pro19nova67]

I'd like to see something done. With the current payout structure they only really have to pay 1st and 2nd. If a person buys back and makes it to the semis its a break even proposition and everybody else is a profit for the track after they pay for 1st and 2nd place. It's just discouraging knowing that you have to make it to the finals to make any money at all. Also, look at top tier payouts, semis are the same for Pro, Sportsman and even Street with vastly different entry fees. Something seems odd about that. Plus, across the board 1st place in Sportsman pays the same or better than 2nd in Pro. Again, odd. One more thing, its just my opinion but I'd think semis in S/Pro, Pro and Bike should all pay more than 1st in Sportsman or Street at any tier. The payout structure just seems a little wonky to me.

[dennismopar73]

The norm would to pay more to s-pro than any field, but you have to have cars!/entries.
same for any field,
If you have no car showing up,then have to base off what you have , the out lay of cash is the same for the track as per bills no matter the car count,,
If you have say, 25-30 cars in s- pro, entry at 60 bucks, do the math , what would you pay out? You only brought in 1800$ Max of 30 cars
Pro, say you get 28-35 cars entry at 50$ You brought in 1500$ Max of 35 cars
Sportsman say 15-22 at 40 $ what do you pay?? Max of 22 cars, 880 $
Total for those classes all together is a whopping 4180!!
Now pay personel, lights, insurance, emt help, chemicles, fuel vht, mowing scraping phone, small advertising,

If the tracks not making money just as you know,, it can not sustain it no more than you or I can !
Let me say this,, You guys up at Havana have the pleasure to race on a very nice track as of this day, As I raced for some time, I can go back through out all the times I have raced there and other tracks, You guys should pat whom ever is writing the checks, and help find ways to make it a better paying track by showing up, bring more spectators, , having bake sales yard sales what ever it takes to keep it going, Because you have a great track, a lot nicer than the days of old,!!
Never appreciate anything till its gone!!

[stevemaas]

I dont think the track is having any issues making money. Last time I raced there they guaranteed $1000 and R/U was 425.00. Almost $600 drop. That a very expensive round to lose. We ended up doing a split, but generally, CID has 25-27 cars in S/P and have 1st or 2nd rd buybacks at $30. There are a lot of names on the buyback list that goes right back to the track and YES, the crew at CID is doing a great job, the food is great, etc. On a regular bracket race, the typical payout is $500 for 1st and like $250 for 2nd and on a good weekend is $700 amd $275.

[dragracer722000]

Sept 23, 2013 21:14:36 GMT -6 dennismopar73 said:

The norm would to pay more to s-pro than any field, but you have to have cars!/entries.
same for any field,
If you have no car showing up,then have to base off what you have , the out lay of cash is the same for the track as per bills no matter the car count,,
If you have say, 25-30 cars in s- pro, entry at 60 bucks, do the math , what would you pay out? You only brought in 1800$ Max of 30 cars
Pro, say you get 28-35 cars entry at 50$ You brought in 1500$ Max of 35 cars
Sportsman say 15-22 at 40 $ what do you pay?? Max of 22 cars, 880 $
Total for those classes all together is a whopping 4180!!
Now pay personel, lights, insurance, emt help, chemicles, fuel vht, mowing scraping phone, small advertising,

If the tracks not making money just as you know,, it can not sustain it no more than you or I can !
Let me say this,, You guys up at Havana have the pleasure to race on a very nice track as of this day, As I raced for some time, I can go back through out all the times I have raced there and other tracks, You guys should pat whom ever is writing the checks, and help find ways to make it a better paying track by showing up, bring more spectators, , having bake sales yard sales what ever it takes to keep it going, Because you have a great track, a lot nicer than the days of old,!!
Never appreciate anything till its gone!!

I def agree with you dennis they deserve to put a little in there pockets they have worked hard all winter to give the racers the nice track they have reminds me of when jacklyn and rich first got it couldn't wait to go the next week just to see what they had done we went down a few times over the winter and they were doing a lot of work on things nobody coming in the gate then to pad their pockets in the winter just glad it stayed open and its a plus they are still doing improvements so if they make a few dollars good for them that might give them the insentive to keep doing improvements which we all like now I will step off the soap box

[stevemaas]

The reason I put this poll on was to have a discussion about ways to improve the payout there. Lets face it, how many people will return consistently if they have to go 7 rounds and only take home $500. Most racers wont wear their equipment out very often for that payday. Several people have stated to me they will not be coming back that often for that payout. The new track surface is a way to attract racers. Its a long-term investment. It needed to be done or no one would be coming (at least fast cars)

[problemchild]

only ran the fall nostalgia race due to a shortage of funds. for many years I have gone to the tracks for the sole reason of having FUN. I do not think I have to win every time I go to the track. But I due want to think We have the same chance of winning as everyone else.

my son and a close friend are trying to get a street car ready, it will be a true street cars and not a wolf in sheep,s clothing. no line lock, no trans brake, no delay button and no cheater slicks. iron exhaust manifolds and full exhaust system, hell it does not even have traction bars or a posi at this time.

[stevemaas]

511 views and 8 votes...Enjoy...lol

[chad378t]

I didn't vote but I look at this way...it's based on cost we as racers are willing to put in compared to winnings.

Here are our options:


Cordova is $75 to enter S/P and buy backs I think are $50. That is for $1000 because they don't get over 40 too often

CCD is also $50 to enter and $25 BB. I spoke to their guys at Indy and they generally pay $325 due to car count.

Gateway and Byron I think are $60-65 entry also.

We have low entry and buy back costs so I am OK with the top heavy purse. I will say I think CID should add a payout bracket like CCD where it's $750 for 25 cars and over. I think the racers could bring this up at the banquet along with other ideas we could use to bring $$. I know from my time with Jeff, he is all for anythign we can do to help both teh track and racers.

[stevemaas]

I dont think the entries have been low. In most cases above average compared to years past. In most cases 3rd round is 1st rd. Shouldnt have to go 7 rounds for a R/U of $200 IMO

[358t]

I was looking at the payout structure at www.centralillinoisdragway.com/Racing_Fees.html

Is this the correct payout structure?

It doesn't look all that different than GMP's payout structure at www.gatewaymsp.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/04/2013-Gateway-Motorsports-Park-Championship-ET-Series.pdf

Then only difference is that maybe GMP draws more entries typically? I know S/Pro raced for at least $1000 every weekend but maybe one or two.

But GMP has only one round of buyback although the initial entry fee is a bit more.

Scott

[stevemaas]

I wouldnt mind paying an extra $5 for entry and just have 1st rd buybacks only.

[chad378t]

I've said for along time they need to raise the entry $5 or so. As long as they are committed to doing imporvements each year, I am ok with a slightly lower payout. By the time anyone from our area figures in travel costs, and the race costs at Cordova, Byron, or GMP...that $1000 to win shrinks pretty quickly. I actually had a VERY detailed speardsheet breaking it all down for me when fuel jumped last year. I'll have to see if I can find it.

Your right Scott....the payout is VERY close to GMP's. I am good with most of cash being with the top 4 and if racers want to split it up...let us make that call. I know CID is open to changes. Hell look at the Q16. They changed it's pay because we kept splitting it so now it's exactly what we were doing.