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Post by problemchild on Aug 18, 2013 7:50:00 GMT -6
Would like to see the rules for the upcoming fall nostalgia races.
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Post by bobg on Aug 18, 2013 9:21:16 GMT -6
What kind of rules are you talking about Charlie? When it comes to rules... One thing they need to do is change back to 1972 and older like ALL the other tracks do including NHRA's nostalgia events and NOT allow racers competing to have electronics in the cars.
Allowing newer body styles to compete at a nostalgia event only keeps THE REAL nostalgia racers away, People that build nostalgia drag cars take it serious when it comes to these events. Look how successful the Hot Rod Reunions, HAMB Drags, Melt Down Drags are... it's because they observe and stick to the nostalgia rules, They don't change the rules just so a few more local bracket cars can run. Having a successful nostalgia event will depend on how well they promote it and advertise it. Nostalgia Posters, Radio ads, Ads and postings on various (Nostalgia) web sites. Consider having awards for 100% "Period Correct" cars, that alone will draw cars out of the woodwork, consider including a swap meet area.
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Post by chad378t on Aug 18, 2013 16:57:38 GMT -6
It's pretty simple. Per Jeff....The main classes (Quick series & super stock) will follow their specific rules since they manage they own deal. The two index classes will be 1980 and older and may not have electronics.
I would recommend contacting the track for any questions. Doing so here generally will only get you the opinion of Ex-CID employees who have nothing to do with the track or the new success it is having.
Chad Lamberson
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Post by Crossbones Dennis on Aug 18, 2013 18:26:21 GMT -6
100% period correct cars wouldn't pass tech unless they were street cars. As far as electronics go, just have a separate class like the muscle car reunion added when they realized how many cars they were turning away.
As far as the 1972 rule, I understand it but those cars are getting harder to find. I bet more and more are being retired because they are getting too valuable to race. The old farts are retiring and unfortuatly becoming too ill to race and passing away. To somebody 30 years old, a 1980 car is an old car. It's older than them. It's an ancient car to a person that's 20.
The "Supercar Showdown" or whatever they called it at GMP was an example. They had 8 or 10 cars and only one pair made a real pass. The rest just drove down the track to show the cars off. They are entirely too expensive to hurt the drivetrain or wreck the car.
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Post by problemchild on Aug 18, 2013 18:45:58 GMT -6
well if they are going to allow 73 thru 80 model cars, all they will have is a bracket race.
probably will just stay home and save my money. since my car will not stand a chance against a bunch of bracket cars equiped with driver aids running a full tree Jeff, Ron or Carolyn should come on and post the rules or at least post them on the web page, with a comment here as well.
the pre 1973 cars out there if you want to build one, granted you will have to put some effort into your search. if they are afraid of hurting the drive train or hitting the wall, they should just have them on display. my OLD CAR is pushed to the limit every pass, and it will be as long as I am the one paying the bills.
Dennis I'm personally offended by your "OLD FART" comment, as I happen to be a senior citizen.
Ex employee?? tells me who's lies you bought hook line and sinker.
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Post by 69b1dart on Aug 18, 2013 18:57:38 GMT -6
don't they have a flyer for the event or is it on there website
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Post by chad378t on Aug 18, 2013 19:06:44 GMT -6
Staying home is probably a good idea for you. Maybe take the time to read up on bracket racing and "driver aides".
Last time I checked, a bracket race involves dialing a car to what you think it will run and having a handicap start. These are INDEX races where all cars must try to run the same as everyone else without the use of electronics.
As for what I bought into.....I'm not going there anymore. All I can say is every racer on this board would have the same position I do if the past GMP operator came on here and was critical or expressed differing views of the events being held. There is a way to express views without always coming across as being critical. I tried to express my opinion of Mega bucks but, 1) I am a paying racer who fields three cars EVERY weekend. My opinion should matter if your trying to draw me to a race later in the year. 2) I wholeheartedly want to see GMP succeed even if I choose not to attend.
Neither of these are true with the input given by this individual. Bob has a great knowledge of nostalgia racing and I would consider him an expert. He could just express how most events are done and leave out the critical parts. The index classes are pretty much a filler to try and get extra cars involved. I would say it's not an attempt to draw "real nostalgia, purpose built" cars anyway. The real show is the main groups coming in.
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george
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Post by george on Aug 18, 2013 19:30:27 GMT -6
I know a flyer is in the works. It's going to be a fantastic event. We'll be testing again this Friday and hopefully find a tuneup for the "new engine" . George C. Alewelt
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Post by Crossbones Dennis on Aug 18, 2013 20:28:21 GMT -6
well if they are going to allow 73 thru 80 model cars, all they will have is a bracket race. probably will just stay home and save my money. since my car will not stand a chance against a bunch of bracket cars equiped with driver aids running a full tree Jeff, Ron or Carolyn should come on and post the rules or at least post them on the web page, with a comment here as well. the pre 1973 cars out there if you want to build one, granted you will have to put some effort into your search. if they are afraid of hurting the drive train or hitting the wall, they should just have them on display. my OLD CAR is pushed to the limit every pass, and it will be as long as I am the one paying the bills. Dennis I'm personally offended by your "OLD FART" comment, as I happen to be a senior citizen. Ex employee?? tells me who's lies you bought hook line and sinker. As far as pushing an old car to it's limits, That's fine but I'm sure nobody on here has an all original ZL1, Yenko or other car that's worth 6 figures that they would be willing to to thrash every weekend. You kind of proved my point that more and more of them will become museum pieces. Sorry if you are offened by the old fart comment, I wasn't sure how to spell old fogies. I still haven't found the spell check on here. Once again remember the average age of the up and coming racers. I'm sure a lot of people build cars from their past. Meaning maybe they build a car like they had in high school or maybe even use that car to race. Not many in their 20's and 30's have ever owned or even driven a pre 72 car. How many of the 72 and older cars out there are fiberglass replicas? Race tracks need car counts. If you have the only event in the country for Ford Pinto's, you might be able to pull enough cars for a profitable event. If you are only going to pull cars from a couple hundred miles, you might want to have a Ford event with a Pinto class to pull enough cars to pay the bills.
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Post by 92ga on Aug 18, 2013 21:23:11 GMT -6
There's no reason to eliminate the bracket cars on this weekend. I remember when we ran both programs a few years ago, wasn't so bad. I haven't been to a nostalgia race, since they quit having the bracket cars. I won't be attending this one either. With the way Jeff and crew is running things now, they could do both. Maybe not a full regular program, but some type so the newer cars could run. KUDOS to JEFF and crew for the way they are running things. The BEST it has been in a very long time.
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Post by chad378t on Aug 19, 2013 7:07:38 GMT -6
92ga, I know I ran it once (maybe first year for it??) and it was a mad house. I could hardly get the car backed out and it took forever to get back to my trailer. Place was packed!! Jeff told me Friday they are or have added a bracket race on the Sunday following the Nostalgia race. That will be when all cars going to Indy will be tech'd for Indy also. You have the black Firebird/Trans-am correct? If so you did well Sat. Congrats.
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Post by bobg on Aug 19, 2013 8:06:18 GMT -6
100% period correct cars wouldn't pass tech unless they were street cars. As far as electronics go, just have a separate class like the muscle car reunion added when they realized how many cars they were turning away. As far as the 1972 rule, I understand it but those cars are getting harder to find. I bet more and more are being retired because they are getting too valuable to race. The old farts are retiring and unfortuatly becoming too ill to race and passing away. To somebody 30 years old, a 1980 car is an old car. It's older than them. It's an ancient car to a person that's 20. Dennis you must not understand what Nostalgia Events are all about, Period Correct cars do exist and several racers still bring them out and most are race legal... you obviously haven't heard of the Meltdown Drags... look it up on Youtube. As far as the 72 rule.... 80 may seem old but it isn't old enough..... That's just the way it is.... or supposed to be You'll see more of the older generation at nostalgia events... Just some of the reasons why nostalgia events are so popular and have a large spectator draw. No tuner cars... no new body styles, no driver aids, no fox bodied mustangs etc. etc... it's all about the golden age of drag racing and muscle car era. Mr. Richard and Miss Sticky Fingers changed it to 1980 last year because they wanted the local area cars to be able to run, they also didn't care if they had electronics. I know of several actual nostalgia racers that didn't show up last year because of the change.... like I said before... Nostalgia Racers are serious about keeping it vintage. Chad, Thank you for the complements but just to let you know, I was never an "employee" of that track and I'm not an "ex employee" of that track.
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Post by bobg on Aug 19, 2013 8:33:12 GMT -6
Chad, What critical parts did I mention that are wrong? I was being constructive. Being I have nothing to do with CID any longer doesn't mean I can't express my opinion,
Jeff's a good guy and I'm sure he's trying hard. What I'm saying is don't make the same mistakes as the dumb$#@* did last year, change the rule back to the way it's supposed to be and promote it and have a successful event that racers and spectators look forward to going to. Last year they even allowed a few modern rear engine dragsters to run during the nostalgia event, I heard more than one spectator say they wouldn't go back again.
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Post by chad378t on Aug 19, 2013 8:39:20 GMT -6
Sorry...I posted this before your second reply. Agree 100% that this weekend should not be changed t allow locals. It's a special weekend to draw crouwds. And I will also agree on mistakes made last year. No issue there.
I'm not much on nostalgia so there is a class for dragsters right?? If so how do they do the year for them? I would assume that roadsters and alters are allowed also??? If so, there are so REALLY high tech 27t's and 32's out there. That to me would be way more of an unfair advantage than and 1978 or 1980 car running.
I do agree that regardless of the year cutoff...they should only be allowed to run what is allowed under the main nostalgia series being followed. If transbrakes are allowed...fine. If not, it's pure footbrake. Kind of hard to decide since the nostalgia S/S cars run alot of stuff too but they are still considered nostalgia.
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Post by bobg on Aug 19, 2013 8:56:43 GMT -6
Some of the rules are in grey areas when it comes to roadsters, I've seen a few higher tech roadsters but their considered by the year of the body... Dragsters have always been limited to Front Engine unless a rear engine car has a historical background and is fully restored to original (Dom Paris twin engine car for example). The reason for the 72 and older rule is because 1972 was the last year for the small bumpers on body styles, in 73 the big crash bumpers killed the looks of most cars plus it was the real end of the factory muscle car era. Most all nostalgia events bend the rules a little if a car has the same body style as 1972 or older car, like a 73 Mustang us the same style as a 71-2 Little by little newer body styles are popping up at nostalgia events, That seems to be fine as long as it's only a year or two... it's to preserve the nostalgia of it all.
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